Aye, loads of orange, it was the EDF energy callcentre in Doxford Park, funny apart from the obvious footy bit, they all admitted that Sunderland was a hole, and they prefered toon for a night out and hospital treatment? that was pretty much a year ago. presently doing a school re-furb for Kier in Forrest hall, lush, I get what I say I need to do the job properly, No pressure to cut costs/corners, lots of on site responsibility (i.e. use some common sense), in short a bit of respect, anybody remember that? So maybe things might be on the turn for the better. Heaton based by the way Trev.