your fellow installer

[loop3]

Just a thought. As a fully qualified spark, how do you feel about the DI ? I like everyone to make a living and all, but hell! I just ain't got no love for em.

 

[Dooby]

Worried? Not from what I've seen of their electrical work! If anything they are generating work for people who have to rectify the over-priced bodges their shaved monkeys perform.

By this logic, are the Electrical Trainee not generating work for experienced Sparks then?

 

[nickblake]

Worried? Not from what I've seen of their electrical work! If anything they are generating work for people who have to rectify the over-priced bodges their shaved monkeys perform.

there work may be dodgy , they have issued 4 danger notifications related to my work , one was due to there incompitance ,give you an example house with 5 consumer units main switch RCD on each one all distributed from an consumer unit with a 30a time delayed main switch RCD , they issued a DN due to L and E reversal , if you did that one those boards all you would hear is tripping RCD's the fault was tested using a socket tester and a volt stick , the fault was a faulty meter which had been replaced , they rang up my customer and told them i had made a mistake and they had no choice but to issue a DN massive company or a one man band , customer lost , another was they couldnt veryfi a 6mm cable and due to HSE they couldnt replace the burnt out switch , 6 weeks prior i had replaced a burnt out shower 10.8 kw on a 6mm cable so replaced with 8.7kw shower but ,i did all the bonding as required but they could find it blind bats another dn and lost customer

 

[Knobhead]

you have just made me get a migrane.

Want some industrial strenth painkilleres?

 

[vjsmarwick]

Personally Electrical Trainee do have a place in this world and I think it's wrong of us to dismiss them completely. They should all be put in a row boat set free from the dock without a paddle and those that make it to the third world can start their career there where there is no one more qualified than them. Please don't come knocking at my door no jobs for you here I did not serve a 4 year apprenticeship to be told I don't know my job by a Electrical Trainee we have building inspectors that know nothing that do that already.

 

[electric will]

Well, you either love us or hate us. But we're here to stay! Some people are abit to quick to judge though

 

[High Tower]

Want some industrial strenth painkilleres?

Hand em ouut!!!! Come on! Lol

 

[BlueToBits]

No politician is going to really care about electrical safety and regulation compliance until we start electrocuting the general public and burn down buildings in sufficient numbers. The Electrical Trainee with no experience and the DIY 'experts' are our best chance of achieving this so we need to welcome them in with open arms.

 

[imago]

By this logic, are the Electrical Trainee not generating work for experienced Sparks then?

I haven't got a problem with Electrical Trainee, or any other sparky no matter how long or short their training. The only thing I have a problem with is poor workmanship irrespective of it being caused by a lack of knowledge, laziness, or greed. I have seen rough work carried out by people with all sorts of backgrounds, and I have seen some really high quality jobs by people with no formal qualifications at all.

I'm old enough to remember all the guys who retrained when Maggie shut the pits. They were the butt of jokes and labelled as the death of the industry etc etc. Those that stayed in the trade would be experienced 30 year veterans now. Then as now some were rubbish, some were good, and a few were great.

 

[dagrat]

I haven't got a problem with Electrical Trainee, or any other sparky no matter how long or short their training. The only thing I have a problem with is poor workmanship irrespective of it being caused by a lack of knowledge, laziness, or greed. I have seen rough work carried out by people with all sorts of backgrounds, and I have seen some really high quality jobs by people with no formal qualifications at all.

I'm old enough to remember all the guys who retrained when Maggie shut the pits. They were the butt of jokes and labelled as the death of the industry etc etc. Those that stayed in the trade would be experienced 30 year veterans now. Then as now some were rubbish, some were good, and a few were great.

Couldnt agree more

 

[Engineer54]

I haven't got a problem with Electrical Trainee, or any other sparky no matter how long or short their training. The only thing I have a problem with is poor workmanship irrespective of it being caused by a lack of knowledge, laziness, or greed. I have seen rough work carried out by people with all sorts of backgrounds, and I have seen some really high quality jobs by people with no formal qualifications at all.

I'm old enough to remember all the guys who retrained when Maggie shut the pits. They were the butt of jokes and labelled as the death of the industry etc etc. Those that stayed in the trade would be experienced 30 year veterans now. Then as now some were rubbish, some were good, and a few were great.

One thing that you conveniently overlooked with your comparison, ....there was no such thing as 17 day training courses 30 years ago!!! Yes, they would be 30 year veterans now, but how many disasters in peoples homes that no-one hears about, did it take for these veterans to become ''good or great''??

Don't know what was the qualifications these miner's took back then, but i'm dammed sure it was more than the 17th edition Qualification, which is nothing more than an ''Add-On qualification... Like today's short training courses there is no substitute for gaining practical experience with a fully qualified and experienced electrician... END OF!!

 

[imago]

One thing that you conveniently overlooked with your comparison, ....there was no such thing as 17 day training courses 30 years ago!!! Yes, they would be 30 year veterans now, but how many disasters in peoples homes that no-one hears about, did it take for these veterans to become ''good or great''??

Don't know what was the qualifications these miner's took back then, but i'm dammed sure it was more than the 17th edition Qualification, which is nothing more than an ''Add-On qualification... Like today's short training courses there is no substitute for gaining practical experience with a fully qualified and experienced electrician... END OF!!

I totally agree, my point was merely that short course 'qualified' people are nothing new. I'm not saying it's a good thing, and I don't suggest for a minute that you can become qualified in a matter of weeks. It's a case of don't hate the player, hate the game IMHO. I don't think that anyone doing a short course deserves flack for it, the system which not only allows it, but actively promotes it is at fault.

If I remember correctly the course back then was 12 weeks and I think there was a choice of trades?

 

[Engineer54]

I totally agree, my point was merely that short course 'qualified' people are nothing new. I'm not saying it's a good thing, and I don't suggest for a minute that you can become qualified in a matter of weeks. It's a case of don't hate the player, hate the game IMHO. I don't think that anyone doing a short course deserves flack for it, the system which not only allows it, but actively promotes it is at fault.

If I remember correctly the course back then was 12 weeks and I think there was a choice of trades?

Fully agree with hating the ''Game''!! Too many interested parties that have money making as the prime objective, have been let into the industry, and have manipulated and cojilled to de-skill sections of the industry to suit their own objectives!!

More like 7 months, if it's the course i'm thinking about, that was available at that time. I think it was based around the original NVQ concept of doing things.

To be honest, you can't totally exonerate those that take these short worthless causes. Something deep down in their subconscious must be niggly asking, how can i become an electrician in just 17 day's when a collage course presently takes around 2 years!!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Fully agree with hating the ''Game''!! Too many interested parties that have money making as the prime objective, have been let into the industry, and have manipulated and cojilled to de-skill sections of the industry to suit their own objectives!!

More like 7 months, if it's the course i'm thinking about, that was available at that time. I think it was based around the original NVQ concept of doing things.

To be honest, you can't totally exonerate those that take these short worthless causes. Something deep down in their subconscious must be niggly asking, how can i become an electrician in just 17 day's when a collage course presently takes around 2 years!!!

eng......i dont like it either fella.....but with all this `pressure sellin` goin on.....and ad`s with pics of `successful` sparkys (wearing clean overalls and with fairy liquid hands).....this coupled with the fact that you can earn upto £50-£70,000 a year......look, its fact.....lol