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Today on an EICR I came across some old (1960's, I think) PVC lighting cable - twin red/black, no earth - where the red was crumbly. It behaved like old perishing rubber, any bending and it cracks - but it is defintely plastic of some sort. The black was perfectly OK, as was the sheath. Curious to know if anyone else has seen this in PVC cable.
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Definitely tinned copper (the tinning can be scraped off). The sheath was vaguely grey-ish, but I didn't bring a sample home to recall exactly.
 
Interesting. The left-hand end of that specimen has a glossy sheen that initially made me wonder whether it was PE, rather than PVC, but is probably migrated plasticiser. PVC has multiple possible degradation modes such as plasticiser evaporation, hydrolysis and dehydrochlorination. How fast any of these processes occur depends on the material composition, temperature, environmental exposure etc. The processes interact and can be self-catalysing especially if the exudate cannot escape easily.

The plasticiser used in the batch of red insulation might have been of unusually low molecular weight, resulting in accelerated migration and evaporation, despite performing to spec during manufacture. Unlike cables with green goo, there won't have been any reaction with the conductors because they are tinned (the extreme loss of phthalate in green goo cables is usually the result of the antioxidant.)

Is the red insulation or the inside of the sheath sticky? Does it smell of anything?
 
No smell and nothing sticky on the red insulation inside or out, it is quite dry, has perhaps a waxy feel to it.
Unfortunately I didn't bring back a sample of the sheath but I don't recall it being sticky either.
 
I have some in front of me, Red/white/blue which I replaced some time ago which was used for two way switching in the house I live in. Kept it just for interest, but it is definitely more plastic than pvc and much harder to strip.

Regards.
 

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