EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[Octopus]

OK.

The EF poll last May was more accurate than all the other polls so can we do it again?

 

[telectrix]

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80 million turks joining the eu. so if we vote out, that will somewhat redress the balance. what astounds me is anyone wanting the eu to have new land borders with syria and iraq

 

[Octopus]

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80 million turks joining the eu. so if we vote out, that will somewhat redress the balance. what astounds me is anyone wanting the eu to have new land borders with syria and iraq

So does that me you a "no" then?

 

[Adam W]

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It's difficult to say, given I don't know what the "latest news" is. Some sort of 'deal' with the EU, although the press seem to expect everyone to know exactly what that deal is so they can simply refer to it as "the deal".

It was the same with whatever happened in Paris in a concert hall or theatre or whatever. The press were so busy picking the bones they didn't bother to clarify what had actually happened.

 

[Darkwood]

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Basically Brussels says 'we can ask' to limit benefits for up to 4 yrs to EU immigrants if we find ourselves in struggling with the influx of migrants as a way to stem the flow... this will be put on the table then all the other nations have to agree before we would be allowed, in reality all the poorer nations are already saying this wouldn't be fair so its really a false flag he is flying because Cameron has not got any powers back as he promised, he has not limited the free flow of EU immigration as he promised he would table and he has no interest in leaving the EU so he's trying to bluff his way out of it.

The second Irony of all this new deal on the table crap, is that we already have the power to put the question on the table, all he has done is got brussles to formerly announce that we can ask them if we can limit the benefits of migrants.. they turned down the total limitation, but instead said you can ask for a rest but in reality again its clearly evident we would never get the deal as all member states need to agree and to be honest, I have more chance of winning the Jackpot lottery twice in a row.. its smoke and mirrors, they are pretending we are getting something good when we haven't been given anything.

It was all set up to try look like the meetings were been hard debating and struggles for an agreement but it was really all decided a while ago then the theatricals for effect - I mean how do you hide the fact you have acheived nothing in the deal - you put a big show on and hope the Electorate falls for it.

 

[plugsandsparks]

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Expect the country to vote NO and as Cameron has boxed himself into a corner, he will be out. Tories self destruct again and JC wins the election and turns us sharp left just as we have left EU land........ deep joy..lol

 

[rolyberkin]

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Out and it won't make that much difference, the giving up of national sovereignty and control of our own legislation is unacceptable in my view. The whole concept of free movement in Europe is fundamentally flawed. I think Cameron has misjudged this whole issue, if Boris stands anti Europe he will probably be Cameron's successor, I thought May would go head to head but she has no spine! I think I may get down to Bet Fred tomorrow and have a few quid on it!

 

[YoungScud]

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80 million turks joining the eu. so if we vote out, that will somewhat redress the balance. what astounds me is anyone wanting the eu to have new land borders with syria and iraq

Yes. Um, which would you say is preferable; having some measure of control over land borders with Iraq and Syria or having no control but having land borders with the country that does?

 

[LeeH]

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Expect the country to vote NO and as Cameron has boxed himself into a corner, he will be out. Tories self destruct again and JC wins the election and turns us sharp left just as we have left EU land........ deep joy..lol

We're all doomed then.

I want out but not at the expense of that left wing lunatic running the show.

 

[telectrix]

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idealresult... EU out, camaron out, farage in, and corbyn sent to join isis.

 

[andyb]

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OK.

The EF poll last May was more accurate than all the other polls so can we do it again?

You'd make a good politician Murdoch,
The EF poll gave Ukip over 51% of the vote.

They got 12%

 

[Octopus]

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You'd make a good politician Murdoch,
The EF poll gave Ukip over 51% of the vote.

They got 12%

no i wouldn't.

I sometimes just say it as it is!

 

[YoungScud]

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no i wouldn't.

I sometimes just say it as it is!

Except when you say it as it isn't.

 

[malcolmsanford]

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Trouble is I think most in the UK want with their hearts out, but their heads will say no.

It is a lot like Trump in America there he was with fantastic ratings and a "cert"............perhaps not quite, but there is still doubt about Iowa.

The popular sway in that last "Referendum" was an out, but was a majority no to stay in, and I think Europe will be the same

When push comes to shove us humans don't like change, yes we have a big moan about things and nothing is right, but when given a choice of the status quo or the unknown, it's the status quo.

My choice is the first line

 

[Englishman]

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80 million turks joining the eu. so if we vote out, that will somewhat redress the balance. what astounds me is anyone wanting the eu to have new land borders with syria and iraq

They shouldn't be allowed anything until they end their illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus.

As for the EU, the two votes in my household are going in the Out box.

 

[YoungScud]

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You don't think that's maybe a one sided view of the situation? Greece didn't sponsor a coup d’état which removed the elected President, Makarios, thus sparking off a Turkish invasion? Nobody's innoccent in this.

 

[Octopus]

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You don't think that's maybe a one sided view of the situation? Greece didn't sponsor a coup d’état which removed the elected President, Makarios, thus sparking off a Turkish invasion? Nobody's innoccent in this.

You've lost me! Who said anything about Greece?

 

[YoungScud]

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You've lost me! Who said anything about Greece?

Wait a minute and I'll check. Yup, as I thought. It was me. Iwas replying to a particular post. Keep up.

 

[ian.settle1]

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80 million turks joining the eu. so if we vote out, that will somewhat redress the balance. what astounds me is anyone wanting the eu to have new land borders with syria and iraq

Wouldn't redress the amount of money they would lose if the UK left the EU.

Thats the real reason the EU don't want the UK to leave.

 

[MikeL1]

EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

For me it has to be OUT, we have completely lost control of the UK, big brother in Brussels has too much say and usually never to our benefit.
Brussels only want us for our money, time to get out and go back to looking after ourselves.

 

[egg67]

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we really going to have a vote on leaving the eu?
When's that going to happen?
If the PM was going to listen to the people we would have had it already not in a couple of years, think he just hopes we will forget about it so when he loses power he can get a nice job in Brussels just to top up his pension as we all know it's hard work being a politician and you have to be well qualified to do it, it's not like you can do a 5weak course, the pay is not that good, bonuses and expenses are next to nothing and the pension is one of the worst in the world

 

[newtothis]

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Time to get out ! out ! out ! :dots:

That's why the tories got elected, cos they where the only 'credible party' offering a referendum.
Even people that are idealogically opposed to the Tories voted for them.
That's why the pollsters got it so wrong. just my opinion.

We need to stop the mass hoards of unskilled labour and unvetted, economic migrants who hate our values, and way life.

The tory deal is not for hard working people - merely a veto on employment rights, and anything else detrimental to the interests paymasters in BIG business.

The country is full, roads are gridlocked, NHS can't cope, I could go on forever..............

 

[YoungScud]

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This kind of stuff saves me the price of a Daily Mail.

 

[telectrix]

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Wouldn't redress the amount of money they would lose if the UK left the EU.

Thats the real reason the EU don't want the UK to leave.

no, because we are nett contributors. turkey would be a taker. like spain. sod 'em. if they can't manage an economy, why should we all pay excessive taxes to support them.

 

[Darkwood]

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When Turkey join 2020 if goes to plan then the EU would have to input more money into Turkey than the UK inputs in the EU - now at 55million per day that we contribute then that is one massive drain on the EU purse and guess what will happen to our contribution?.. YEP it would have to increase by quite a sum.

 

[telectrix]

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back in the 70's, when the original referendum was taken, i voted no. everyone i've ever spoken to since then says that they voted no. so why was there ever a yes vote? figures juggled by wilson? would camearron do the same if the majority voted no now?

 

[sean_ork]

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When Turkey join 2020 if goes to plan ........

So is that a done deal, a few boxes to be ticked and Turkey gets to join the club in 2020 ?

 

[sean_ork]

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back in the 70's, when the original referendum was taken, i voted no. everyone i've ever spoken to since then says that they voted no. so why was there ever a yes vote? figures juggled by wilson? would camearron do the same if the majority voted no now?

they did the same with the UKIP vote in the last GE, apparently they actually got 89% of the vote

 

[YoungScud]

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You might want to consider leaving the UK then. It's been a consistent supporter of Turkey's membership. Turkey, by the way, has been an associate member since 1963, long before we joined the EEC.

 

[telectrix]

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someone needs to show camaroon a map.turkey is in bloody asia,

 

[YoungScud]

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Actually, it's in bothe continents, although largely it's Asian.

 

[telectrix]

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5% is in europe. that's the bit north of the bosphorus. and they probably stole it anyway.bloody turks. they sided with germany in ww1 if you remember.

 

[YoungScud]

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5% is in europe. that's the bit north of the bosphorus. and they probably stole it anyway.bloody turks. they sided with germany in ww1 if you remember.

Um, so did Germany. What's your point?

 

[Darkwood]

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So is that a done deal, a few boxes to be ticked and Turkey gets to join the club in 2020 ?

The EU is desperate to expand, it already has its eyes on Turkey due to existing relations and has given them some conditions to conform to so as to be allowed to join the ever failing EU, the problem is Turkey is a muslim country and is torn by the same issues other muslim countries fall foul of, that is the divide between the differing Muslim groups- this see's regular terrorist attacks most that never reach the news as it doesn't often effect the 3% side of Turkey that falls in Europe and we know as the holiday resorts, also to remember is the remaining 97% is actually in Asia not Europe so begging the question why financially cripple the EU by asking them to join.

I cannot see why the EU would want Turkey considering its going to be such a drain + the expected migration as they become EU citizens will be large -Hmmm maybe this as been more a strategical effort with regards to military position - if Turkey is in the EU then we have a country NATO could use that would give us a military strategic positional advantage- I may be wrong but there are too many negatives to have Turkey join unless we had other motives.

Of course they are not going to tell us the truth :thinking:.... but how ever you look at it, it will hit you me and J.Bloggs in the pocket if they join.

Here a Pro's and Con's list... some of the Con's are scary indeed to be allowed into the EU :icon9:

http://www.debatingeurope.eu/focus/...d-against-turkeys-eu-membership/#.VrTMYPmLTIV

 

[telectrix]

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point is they not to be trusted.

 

[Darkwood]

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point is they not to be trusted.

And what part of the unelected Merkel machine is trustworthy ... they would probably fit in well with the smoke and mirrors of the Brussels brady bunch :sifone:

 

[sean_ork]

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Here a Pro's and Con's list... some of the Con's are scary indeed to be allowed into the EU :icon9:

Arguments for and against Turkey?s EU membership ? Debating Europe

So there isn't a plan already in place for them to fully join the big boys club in 2020 ?

 

[Darkwood]

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So there isn't a plan already in place for them to fully join the big boys club in 2020 ?

Negotiations are ongoing, the plan is 2020 as a set date, there are those who oppose and those who are for it... yes there is a plan in place par ce' but whether it will come to fruition is another thing Turkey has alot to get in order like human rights violations to start with, also the biggest stumbling block for them joining is Merkel herself as she is against the move which usually she is considered the voice of Europe and the most powerful women in the world, what she wants is usually the outcome but tides are changing and her open door invite to immigrants has massively backfired on germany and the EU and she has lost alot of ground and influence on this massive misjudgement, that decision could be her and the EU's downfall so making a call on Turkey joining is very hard at the moment, but like I say - this seems to have military strings attached which would mean the EU would find a way to bring them in otherwise the invite would never have occured in the first place.

 

[sean_ork]

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Turkey will never be full member, over the past few years they've moved further away from compliance with AC - find yourself an itemised list of the numerous chapters, they've just pandered to the compliance requirements. This shouldn't be a surprise seeing as so few Turks actually think joining is a good idea - other than our fool there's very little support for them joining - to suggest otherwise is just scaremongering.

I forgot to ask - where did this 2020 come from ?

 

[Darkwood]

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Turkey will never be full member, over the past few years they've moved further away from compliance with AC - find yourself an itemised list of the numerous chapters, they've just pandered to the compliance requirements. This shouldn't be a surprise seeing as so few Turks actually think joining is a good idea - other than our fool there's very little support for them joining - to suggest otherwise is just scaremongering.

I forgot to ask - where did this 2020 come from ?

Your not seeing the full picture, its a very strategic position not just for Syria but other, lets say big players in the world.. the whole Turkey joining issue is a lot bigger than the sum of its parts - when the military need to position themselves for an advantage on many fronts then you either invade and take over or you make sure they join your party.. invading Turkey is not an option and this isn't just the EU here, I smell the USA are pulling strings here, this is part of the reason the USA is so against us leaving the EU, it has little to do with trade but more so military politics.. if we are out the USA has less influence as we tend to be its military lapdog as has been proven so many times before.

Oh yes and I forgot - Turkey has a magic bullit, they are basically demanding to join or they will flood the EU with immigrants ... tbh they have the ACE here, Turkey is run by a corrupt Islamic leader who has already had meetings with Merkel on this subject, when Merkel agree's to make a deal like she already has, it shows how bad things are for the EU, letting Turkey in may be the only way to stem the migrant flow which is derailing the EU and breaking it up.

This isn't propaganda - these meeting were done last autumn, an agreement wasn't made to meet both parties needs but 3billion was handed over to help turkey cope with the influx (Well thats what we were told) but still Turkey let anyone through who wanted to, this led to fuelling the continuing crisis and is still ongoing... it could see Turkey join before 2020, which was a date drafted in an EU document if I remember but it could have just been a estimated figure.

 

[Octopus]

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Where's MDJ these days - he's suspiciously quiet on the subject!

Interesting that there are no votes for undecided!

 

[ian.settle1]

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Where's MDJ these days - he's suspiciously quiet on the subject!

Interesting that there are no votes for undecided!

That's because he has asked for his account to be deleted any posts by him now have Guest underneath

 

[andyb]

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We need to stop the mass hoards of unskilled labour and unvetted, economic migrants who hate our values, and way life.

I'm pro EU but you're scaring me now.
Where are these mass hordes? The government should put a stop to this.

 

[Darkwood]

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I'm pro EU but you're scaring me now.
Where are these mass hoards? The government should put a stop to this.

You obviously live in an area blessed with little influx, where I am we have seen a large influx on EU immigrants taking all the unskilled jobs and even driving the wages down of the skilled work, from what I have seen they haven't a clue about any British Standards in the skilled trades... this and the fact I now have to wait 3 weeks for a Doc appointment, our other services are buckling and I now hear more foreign laungage been spoke in our local Tesco's than I do English - don't get me wrong, I'm not racist, I believe in controlled immigration but what has happened has destroyed communities, and gridlocked services and was a big reason Labour crashed out of the Elections.. look at immigration hotspots and these directly corrolate to opinions that we need to get our borders back.

 

[andyb]

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You obviously live in an area blessed with little influx, where I am we have seen a large influx on EU immigrants taking all the unskilled jobs and even driving the wages down of the skilled work, from what I have seen they haven't a clue about any British Standards in the skilled trades... this and the fact I now have to wait 3 weeks for a Doc appointment, our other services are buckling and I now hear more foreign laungage been spoke in our local Tesco's than I do English - don't get me wrong, I'm not racist, I believe in controlled immigration but what has happened has destroyed communities, and gridlocked services and was a big reason Labour crashed out of the Elections.. look at immigration hotspots and these directly corrolate to opinions that we need to get our borders back.

Is a large influx the same as mass horde?

I live in an area that has had a 'little influx' guess what? you can't get a doctors appointment, other services are buckling and English is the most common language I hear in Tesco's.
My mum lives in a place that has had no influx, and here's the thing. you can't get a doctors appointment, other services are buckling and English is the most common language she hear's in Tesco's.

The problems in the country regarding services, housing, health care lack of education places and so on is not the fault of eastern Europeans but the result of years of neglect and underfunding by successive governments.

And all the the time you blame nasty Mr foreigner you are letting those responsible off the hook.

 

[UNG]

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For me it has to be OUT, we have completely lost control of the UK, big brother in Brussels has too much say and usually never to our benefit.
Brussels only want us for our money, time to get out and go back to looking after ourselves.

I think the EU has lost control of itself nobody seems to be accountable for their actions it's a corrupt juggernaut that has the object aim of making the empire bigger to hide even more corruption

This kind of stuff saves me the price of a Daily Mail.

You always get one the trots out the same old sh*** as an answer to the problem

 

[andyb]

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You always get one the trots out the same old sh*** as an answer to the problem

Have to agree with you there Ung'
With a post like this

This kind of stuff saves me the price of a Daily Mail.

YoungScud is alluding to the fact that he actually buys the Daily Mail.

I just can't bring myself to believe that.

 

[UNG]

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I'm pro EU but you're scaring me now.
Where are these mass hordes? The government should put a stop to this.

So you support corruption and false accounting then

The problems in the country regarding services, housing, health care lack of education places and so on is not the fault of eastern Europeans but the result of years of neglect and underfunding by successive governments.

And all the the time you blame nasty Mr foreigner you are letting those responsible off the hook.

So are you saying the past governments should have realised that they needed to prepare for the immigration problem before it happened

With regard to the NHS this country is seen as a soft touch by every man and his dog foreigners are taking medical holidays for free medical care and operations and travel to the UK with no insurance yet we go abroad and travel insurance is a must as you don't get treatment without it

 

[sean_ork]

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Turkey will never be full members, and I'm glad of that - but Darkwood you are simply regurgitating zenophobic propaganda

The vast majority of Turks don't want to join.


The vast majority of Turks don't trust the EU


There has to be aunanimous vote in favour of new member states joining.


Merkel is anti Turkey joining.


Juncker is anti Turkey joining ..... and there's plenty more in the anti camp


Their economy doesn't come close to compliance with the requirements of AC


Their justice system doesn't come close to compliance with the requirements of AC (and its moving further away)


Their freedom of movement and association laws dont come close to compliance with the requirements of AC


Their anti competition policys doesn't come close to compliance with the requirements of AC


Their compliance with most of the chapters is at best "moderately prepared"


They may well be conviently geographically located for "our" military assests but there is no bigger picture, there is no plan for them in 2020 (prove me wrong please) - Darkwood your rhetoric might convince a few here, but not everyone is so gulable.

 

[Darkwood]

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Is a large influx the same as mass horde?

I live in an area that has had a 'little influx' guess what? you can't get a doctors appointment, other services are buckling and English is the most common language I hear in Tesco's.
My mum lives in a place that has had no influx, and here's the thing. you can't get a doctors appointment, other services are buckling and English is the most common language I hear in Tesco's.

The problems in the country regarding services, housing, health care lack of education places and so on is not the fault of eastern Europeans but the result of years of neglect and underfunding by successive governments.

I have to disagree, up to the mid 90's immigration was steady and manageable, then the floodgates were opened indefinately which saw over the next 2 decades a continued rise in immigration which at the present value of over 300 000 net per year is pushes our already buckling services and is openely agreed by both main parties to be too high to keep up with, it wasn't the fact that the infra-structure wasn't been kept up. Where you see area's with little influx against areas with large influx suffering the same it will make you think that immigration isn't the reason, what you need to look at is the migration effect on each of the services, if one town has a 2week waiting with its Doc's surgery and the next town doesn't then by word of mouth you get people migrating to other surgeries thus levelling out the effect across the board - this happens through the system and is a self balancing effect, couple this with local councils diverting funds with the same effect to level the playing field then you get an artificial picture that immigration doesn't contribute as a major factor - the building of the infrastructure is now too slow to keep up with immigration and with a shortage of skills to speed it up the only solution is to bring more immigration in .... it thus becomes the vicious circle we have now found ourselves in...

Both major parties now agree that we need to stem immigration in order for us to catch up, but here lies the problem, we don't have a say on it because Brussels has no interest in helping us out as its beneficial to the EU to see high immigration to UK as this diverts UK money into the EU making it stronger at our cost.

We are in a catch 22 that we cannot get out of without leaving the EU as they will not let us limit immigration, Cameron promised a referendom and if he couldn't get an agreement to limit immigration on the table he would vote to leave... now here's where it all backfired, he didn't expect to win with a Majority, he doesn't want to leave the EU and he hasn't got a deal that we didn't already have before, if we were to ask for a benefits break which is a far stretch from what he promised then all 28 members of the EU has to say yes and we already know of several refusing to entertain the idea... it leaves us one option to start repairing the damage done and that is to take back control of our borders amongst many other lost rights and vote for an exit... the scaremongering is coming from the stay in campaign saying 3million jobs losses etc.. all these numbers are just been plucked out of thin air and its almost impossible to calculate the job gains and losses... yes there will be some backlash from leaving but the possiblities of been independent see the UK with more prospects than staying in - we were one of the strongest nations in the world but over the last 40yrs that has been eroded away as we passed nearly all our important powers to Brussels... we cannot even trade freely with the rest of the world due to EU restrictions... and trade with not change whether we are in the EU or not ... it will continue pretty much the same as they sell more to us than we do them.