Do I entertain this?

uksparks · Sep 18, 2014

Hi,

Got a call from a local hotel / Indian restaurant this afternoon, wanting a "three pin plug on the wall" for their new fryer...

Went to look as on 2 mins up the road from home, turns out they need a three phase supply for it, see photos.

The board is probably 10m or so to where the want the outlet.

Ok, so two things, the consumer unit is full of gaps, no RCD, and he wants a new circuit, and he wants the outlet above the fryer on a stainless back... hmmm

Oh he wants the outlet next to the plug... Oh which again, not exactly a sensible place is it, you can see the old fryer in position in one of the photos, oh and above is a huge fan hood thing covering the ceiling.

Interestingly the lead from the fryer has a brown, blue and green/yellow ? Yet its 415v?

Any thoughts?

[ElectriciansForums.net] Do I entertain this?

vernam616 · Sep 18, 2014

Ill bet my last fiver that its linked out inside the fryer and the previous owner of the fryer had it hooked up as single phase

uksparks · Sep 18, 2014

Well that's what I'm thinking, a bit like you can do on some induction hobs.

Andy78 · Sep 18, 2014

Funny how quickly your diary can get booked up making you unavailable isn't it ?

uksparks · Sep 18, 2014

I could stick a 16A socket on it but am not 100% convinced about where the socket needs to be, reach over the hot boiling fat to get the plug, I think not!

vernam616 · Sep 18, 2014

Should be straight forward job, just lay down regulations to him about positioning of switch etc..
sort the cable issue out, jiggle a few circuits around to free up a three phase way in the board

or you could always put a ridiculous price in....

uksparks · Sep 18, 2014

Andy78 said:
Funny how quickly your diary can get booked up making you unavailable isn't it ?

Lol yeah it is, I said look this isn't a quick job, like he thinks it is.

dingledong · Sep 18, 2014

But I have seen the brown blue and green used on a 3 phase kitchen appliance once

uksparks · Sep 18, 2014

I can't say as I'm really looking at dismantling his kitchen, does anyone fancy doing this with me as commercial kitchens are not something I've ever touched, ideally it really needs a local rotary isolator too I would imagine.

uksparks · Sep 18, 2014

dingledong said:
But I have seen the brown blue and green used on a 3 phase kitchen appliance once

Class 1, I'm not doing that, the earths there for a reason.

tazz · Sep 18, 2014

Looking at the spec plate it`s a two phase...2.88 kw on L1 & L2.
So possible it may have a link out bar.

davesparks · Sep 18, 2014

Gaps in the DB is a few pennies to fix whilst you are there, just bung it on the price.

And on the subject of price bartering is a normal part of the Indian culture and they expect you to start with a high price and haggle it down a bit. Don't be put off by this or go having any tantrums if you don't allow for this in your price.

As has been said you are probably looking at a machine which has been been converted to single phase operation. It obviously started its life using 2 phases and neutral (not to be confused with a proper 2 phase system, but that's irrelevant here)
It will just be 2x240V heating elements in there.

I'd check on how the single phase conversion has been done but otherwise just crack on with a Cooker switch and cooker outlet plate behind it, or a 32A socket if you prefer.

dingledong · Sep 18, 2014

Does falcon still exist ?do you know how old the item is ? does it work now?
And it will need a reasonable length lead as these items should be pulled out for a thorough kitchen clean weekly at least

vernam616 · Sep 18, 2014

Why are you asking if someone will come and do the job with you? its a pretty straight forward job and easy enough for a electrician to complete on his/her own

Can only presume your recently qualified or Electrical Trainee?

dazza1981 · Sep 18, 2014

vernam616 said:
Why are you asking if someone will come and do the job with you? its a pretty straight forward job and easy enough for a electrician to complete on his/her own

Can only presume your recently qualified or Electrical Trainee?

That's a kick in the nuts lol