When is the 18th Edition not the 18th Edition?

oracle · Sep 24, 2018

Since the dawn of time, people have been portraying things that they sell as more than what they are.

Last few years, you could buy 16th Edition testers, 17th Edition CCU's, etc. The only thing that is XXth Edition is the Regs, but already they are offering 18th Edition test kit.

They can call it anything they want, but that doesn't make it so. The newer kit may do things a bit faster, or have more ranges, but the requirements for test kit are BS 61010 and BS 61557.

They even called CCU's 17th Edition, when it's how you equip and install that will determine whether your installation COMPLIES with the current edition of BS7671.

CCU's are made to a different BS standard anyway. If your kit has regular calibration checks it's good for the job, you don't have to renew it every time the Regs change.

Deleted member 9648 · Sep 24, 2018

Same as selling Part P as a qualification, it's no wonder there's confusion on these things.

Octopus · Sep 24, 2018

Its all about the money .............. almost nothing about safety ...........

Pete999 · Sep 24, 2018

wirepuller said:
Same as selling Part P as a qualification, it's no wonder there's confusion on these things.

Well said that Man

Deleted member 26818 · Sep 24, 2018

I could only really see it making a difference, if you had some indication as to whether a result was a pass or fail.
When they introduced Cmin, that could have skewed pass or fail results.

Spoon · Sep 24, 2018

wirepuller said:
Same as selling Part P as a qualification, it's no wonder there's confusion on these things.

But if you do pass an examination or complete a course in Part P then that is a 'qualification' isn't it? Same as pass an examination or complete a course in BS7671. What's the difference?

Deleted member 9648 · Sep 24, 2018

Spoon said:
But if you do pass an examination or complete a course in Part P then that is a 'qualification' isn't it? Same as pass an examination or complete a course in BS7671. What's the difference?

I agree, but there are many newbies 'doing their part P' who believe that makes them a qualified electrician. I suspect many college courses perpetuate that myth. Unlike 7671 part P is a document that can be downloaded, read and understood in 10 minutes by any electrically competant person.

Spoon · Sep 24, 2018

wirepuller said:
I agree, but there are many newbies 'doing their part P' who believe that makes them a qualified electrician. I suspect many college courses perpetuate that myth. Unlike 7671 part P is a document that can be downloaded, read and understood in 10 minutes by any electrically competant person.

Never having done the Part P course I don't know what involved.
It may be a simple exam but my point is that it's still classed as a qualification. If the college, or whoever, miss-sell the course then they need their arse kicking. (which I can't see happening...)

GBDamo · Sep 24, 2018

In a lot of wholesalers I’ve seen these “Site Guides”

[ElectriciansForums.net] When is the 18th Edition not the 18th Edition?

whilst I’m not quiestioning their content they are not these

I’m just wondering how many have bought the above thinking they have the latter.

Spoon · Sep 24, 2018

I thought everyone knows that NICEIC & Elecsa supersede even BS7671, never mind the OSG......

Pete999 · Sep 24, 2018

GBDamo said:
In a lot of wholesalers I’ve seen these “Site Guides”
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whilst I’m not quiestioning their content they are not these
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I’m just wondering how many have bought the above thinking they have the latter.

The "Site Guide" is I believed published by the NICEIC as one f their guides, not as good as the IET OSG in my opinion. Tried to fob me off with a copy at the NICEIC cinema presentation, got the OSG at ELEX last week.

GBDamo · Sep 24, 2018

wirepuller said:
I agree, but there are many newbies 'doing their part P' who believe that makes them a qualified electrician. I suspect many college courses perpetuate that myth. Unlike 7671 part P is a document that can be downloaded, read and understood in 10 minutes by any electrically competant person.

A while since I did mine but the Part P element was never sold a an electrical course as such but rather a required element in a suite of courses required to be eligible to apply to be assessed to join a CPS.

There was little doubt that the Part P element was an explaination and assessment of the building regulations relevant to electrical installations. Alongside the then 17th edition and inspection and testing allowed successful candidates to have the knowledge to apply to join a CPS.

It did not cover practical skills.

part P has become a colloquialism bit like someone calling their Dyson. Hoover.

GBDamo · Sep 24, 2018

Pete999 said:
The "Site Guide" is I believed published by the NICEIC as one f their guides, not as good as the IET OSG in my opinion. Tried to fob me off with a copy at the NICEIC cinema presentation, got the OSG at ELEX last week.

quite but this is being sold in packages alongside the 18th which I think is a little naughty.

I have pointed this out, mostly to blank expressions.

Pete999 · Sep 24, 2018

GBDamo said:
A while since I did mine but the Part P element was never sold a an electrical course as such but rather a required element in a suite of courses required to be eligible to apply to be assessed to join a CPS.

There was little doubt that the Part P element was an explaination and assessment of the building regulations relevant to electrical installations. Alongside the then 17th edition and inspection and testing allowed successful candidates to have the knowledge to apply to join a CPS.

It did not cover practical skills.

part P has become a colloquialism bit like someone calling their Dyson. Hoover.

My Mrs calls ours Oleg

Dillb · Sep 24, 2018

GBDamo said:
In a lot of wholesalers I’ve seen these “Site Guides”
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whilst I’m not quiestioning their content they are not these
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I’m just wondering how many have bought the above thinking they have the latter.

What I dont undersrand is why the NICEIC state its for installations upto 100amps? What changes if you go above that?