NICEIC Certification Scheme comfused by NICEIC statement

hoitytoity · Nov 24, 2018

confused by statement by NICEIC that this ok? Electrician compliant as circuit not energised. Can anyone tell me how NICEIC can make statement like this and assess wiring ok when they haven been to my house to inspect
see attached the work left like this on Aug14th and I cant get it removed until somebody says it non compliant

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Darkwood · Nov 24, 2018

Is it energised or not?..

NICEIC will have consulted with there member and they must have said it is not energised, if this is true then what is the issue?
If however it is energised or has been left in a scenario where it can be accidentally energised then I would get independent verification from a competent person and pass that on to NICEIC.

Deleted member 26818 · Nov 24, 2018

Why do you want it removed?
It’s a bit odd that they haven’t joined the 2 legs of the CPC together, but other than that, can’t see anything wrong.

Pete999 · Nov 24, 2018

hoitytoity said:
confused by statement by NICEIC that this ok? Electrician compliant as circuit not energised. Can anyone tell me how NICEIC can make statement like this and assess wiring ok when they haven been to my house to inspect
see attached the work left like this on Aug14th and I cant get it removed until somebody says it non compliant

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Are you saying that this is going to be left like this and covered over? if yes then it is obviously non compliant, if however it is left like this not engineered, locked off until the plastering has been done, so all OK. One point though that cable doesn't look like 2.5mm2m why because one of those cpcs looks suspiciously like it#s yellow and not G/Y Just saying.

Strima · Nov 24, 2018

Is the circuit breaker turned off and does it have some form of locking device on it?

If the circuit is locked off then it is fine as it is. If it is live then there’s an issue as a bit of tape isn’t suitable to protect against direct contact. Also we don’t know how the cables are jointed together.

TBH those conductors look a little short but that could just be the photo.

telectrix · Nov 24, 2018

and depends what's under the tape, choc blocks , fire nuts, or just twisted?????

solarsavings · Nov 24, 2018

click on the image Pete and you will get a better view.

hoitytoity · Nov 24, 2018

my issue is the plaster board is 1 1/2 in front of the socket metal frame. The socket face plate would have a 1in gap between the face plate and the frame. The person who put the wiring in also fixed the plaster board to finish. Why am I the only one seeing this? Surely an 1in gap is not good?

hoitytoity · Nov 24, 2018

Strima said:
Is the circuit breaker turned off and does it have some form of locking device on it?

If the circuit is locked off then it is fine as it is. If it is live then there’s an issue as a bit of tape isn’t suitable to protect against direct contact. Also we don’t know how the cables are jointed together.

TBH those conductors look a little short but that could just be the photo.

they are too short. Thankyou

hoitytoity · Nov 24, 2018

Strima said:
Is the circuit breaker turned off and does it have some form of locking device on it?

If the circuit is locked off then it is fine as it is. If it is live then there’s an issue as a bit of tape isn’t suitable to protect against direct contact. Also we don’t know how the cables are jointed together.

TBH those conductors look a little short but that could just be the photo.

it's taped over

hoitytoity · Nov 24, 2018

the system is not locked off but taped over

Deleted member 26818 · Nov 24, 2018

hoitytoity said:
my issue is the plaster board is 1 1/2 in front of the socket metal frame. The socket face plate would have a 1in gap between the face plate and the frame. The person who put the wiring in also fixed the plaster board to finish. Why am I the only one seeing this? Surely an 1in gap is not good?

Not really a problem.
A collar can be installed to take up the gap.
Most times, just longer screws are used.

Dave OCD · Nov 24, 2018

As long as the plasterboard is accurately cut to match the box I can't see an issue with the box being deep, it would just need longer platescrews, and it would be easy to remove the box and fix a little batten in behind to bring it out flush with the plasterboard anyway.
This does seem a bit trivial TBH, are there other underlying issues here ?

SparkyChick · Nov 24, 2018

So, playing devils advocate... why did the spark leave it like that in the first place?

DPG · Nov 24, 2018

I think people were confused by what exactly you were asking in your original post. I was anyway.

Pete999 · Nov 24, 2018

Pete999 said:
Are you saying that this is going to be left like this and covered over? if yes then it is obviously non compliant, if however it is left like this not engineered, locked off until the plastering has been done, so all OK. One point though that cable doesn't look like 2.5mm2m why because one of those cpcs looks suspiciously like it#s yellow and not G/Y Just saying.

Sorry for the bad spelling, engineered should read energised, darn spell checks.

hoitytoity · Nov 24, 2018

Pete999 said:
Sorry for the bad spelling, engineered should read energised, darn spell checks.

it's not locked off it's taped over.

Darkwood · Nov 24, 2018

You are correct in that they should be longer but this is simply resolved, it does happen as every detail in a build is not always as perceived or expected hence we usually give a little allowance for these things or ensure we know the depth.
That aside I don't think it warrants the reaction you are giving, it is simply going to need a small joint and longer tails out to the socket, the gap between the board and the metal box is a none issue, the only criticism would be this is not locked off supply, again he may have confidence in you that you are aware of the situation and circumstances mean that it is not going to be accidentally switch on, it may not be the prescribed method but unless something has occurred or you perceive it may be switched on by accident then I wouldn't make an issue out of it.
You're at risk of falling out with your electrician over a minor issue, did you discuss this with them and what was there answer if so that made you decide to contact the NICEIC.

hoitytoity · Nov 24, 2018

Pete999 said:
Sorry for the bad spelling, engineered should read energised, darn spell checks. Just so nobody jumps in with a bad spelling Icon.

you think they used lighting cable?

hoitytoity · Nov 24, 2018

hoitytoity said:
you think they used lighting cable?

the builder was kicked off the job as he left it like this since 14th Aug. How is a 1in gap a non issue between the face plate and frame. Surely the metal frames should have been fixed to battens so the face plate would be fixed securely over with no movement. Also hole cut in plaster board is bigger than the frame.

hoitytoity · Nov 24, 2018

hoitytoity said:
you think they used lighting cable?

yes

solarsavings · Nov 24, 2018

They haven't.

Pete999 · Nov 24, 2018

hoitytoity said:
you think they used lighting cable?

I didn't say that, I said it doesn't look like 2.5mm2, without being there I can't be sure, but maybe, looks suspiciously like it though

FatAlan · Nov 24, 2018

What did you specifically complain to the NICEIC about? Was it just that the socket had been left in that state and was live? Did you raise concerns with the spark befor reporting to NICEIC?

westward10 · Nov 24, 2018

I personally think it is a poorly fitted back box plus it looks as if those conductors will need extending.

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