I'm your average DIYer and after advice about replacing a pendant light with a new flush metal fitting. I can fix the new light to the ceiling and the existing rose sits within the void of the new fitting without any clearance issues. Is it OK to leave it in place and wire the new fitting into the rose replacing the pendant's connections? I've had mixed replies from other forums. If I can't do this can I use wago connectors or choc blocs and leave them in the fitting or does it all have to go up into the loft space within a junction box? I'd much rather just connect to the rose and leave it in situ and I can still get a good fixing for the bracket. Thanks in advance.
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I'm going to stick my neck out and say I can't see a problem with it. Feel free to hit the dumb button (not you Murdoch if you're reading this when you're back!)
I'm surprised there is room for it though.
I'm surprised there is room for it though.
OP
Brilliant thanks. The void in the new light is quite deep and I was pleased as it saves me taking the rose off.
Also just to check....on another forum someone had said it was ok to do this as long as put the cap back on the rose. I definitely can’t do this as there is no room for that. So it’s still ok to wire it up uncapped? Sorry I should have said this in my original post.
Also just to check....on another forum someone had said it was ok to do this as long as put the cap back on the rose. I definitely can’t do this as there is no room for that. So it’s still ok to wire it up uncapped? Sorry I should have said this in my original post.
I'm with davesparks. It needs a tool to get to it so there is no danger.
I am also surprised there is enough room for the base and cables, but see no issue using the base without the original cover if the new fitting covers it adequately.
OP
I've got you. So it's more about how accessible or exposed it is that is important? I was thinking more about heat from the light but I suppose when you think about it there are wires and a terminal block on the light fitting anyway so it must be safe.
One more quickie with regards to the flex used to connect between the rose and the fitting. I have some 1.25mm 13 amp cable from a previous project. Is this OK to use? Can I strip the cables out of the outer sheath and use them individually or do just strip back at the connections?
agree with above, but ensure that the earth terminal on the new light is connected to the earth terminal in the existing rose.
OP
Thanks and presumably the earth terminal on the rose will accommodate the extra earth cable from the flex as in two earth wires into one hole.
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It should do but I wouldn't use the 1.25mm flex to be honest.
OP
ideally you'd use some 1.5mm singles, but as you have to buy 100m of each, that would be economically daft. get a short length of 1.5mm flex and strip the outer sheath off.
OP
I’ve got some 1.5mm cable in the garage too. Thanks for that. It looks I’ll finally get the wife off my back and get this bedroom decorated
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