Leave existing ceiling rose within new metal light fitting??

Mark Huddleston · Jan 15, 2019

I'm your average DIYer and after advice about replacing a pendant light with a new flush metal fitting. I can fix the new light to the ceiling and the existing rose sits within the void of the new fitting without any clearance issues. Is it OK to leave it in place and wire the new fitting into the rose replacing the pendant's connections? I've had mixed replies from other forums. If I can't do this can I use wago connectors or choc blocs and leave them in the fitting or does it all have to go up into the loft space within a junction box? I'd much rather just connect to the rose and leave it in situ and I can still get a good fixing for the bracket. Thanks in advance.

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Mark Huddleston · Jan 15, 2019

Thanks to everyone for their replies. You’ve all been very helpful. It’s genuinely nice to find a forum where professionals are so keen to help your average bloke on the street

DPG · Jan 15, 2019

Mark Huddleston said:
Thanks to everyone for their replies. You’ve all been very helpful. It’s genuinely nice to find a forum where professionals are so keen to help your average bloke on the street

Depends on the day. We can be quite offensive sometimes.

MJPD29 · Jan 15, 2019

Havnt read all the comments but can't see any issues with it. L,n,e from ceiling rose to new fitting and you'll be good

Mark Huddleston · Jan 16, 2019

All went well today and just got to hang about a million little glass pieces off it. I had a slight crisis of confidence when I finally screwed the fitting onto the bracket. The single wires had to be slightly longer than I would have liked just as they were dead fiddly. I remember someone saying they shouldn’t be pressing against the metal fitting. I wouldn’t have said they were pressing on it but more like resting on it. So I stripped some outer sheath of another part of flex and pushed the wires into a short section of outer sleeve where they rest on the metal. I then wrapped all this section in electrical tape. I was just a bit paranoid that the wires may overheat. Does this sound OK?

telectrix · Jan 16, 2019

if it's still on the ceiling when you get up tomorrow, good job.

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Mark Huddleston · Jan 16, 2019

telectrix said:
if it's still on the ceiling when you get up tomorrow, good job..

I went into the loft and fitted a noggin between the two joists for the bracket to screw into. It’s rock solid.

Mark Huddleston · Jan 17, 2019

Hi. Could someone just please clarify this for me. Do the single wires going from the fitting to the rose need insulating with tape or a section of it still with the outer sheath on as I can’t avoid them touching the inside of the metal fitting?? To be honest the wires forming the loop between the 3 LED bulbs touch the metal....am I being paranoid or just safety conscious??

telectrix · Jan 17, 2019

it's no problem.the single insulation suffices. additional sheathing would be for mechanical protection, but that;s already provided by the metal enclosure of the fitting.

Mark Huddleston · Jan 17, 2019

telectrix said:
it's no problem.the single insulation suffices. additional sheathing would be for mechanical protection, but that;s already provided by the metal enclosure of the fitting.

Excellent thanks.

Jjc · Jan 19, 2019

DPG said:
I'm going to stick my neck out and say I can't see a problem with it. Feel free to hit the dumb button (not you Murdoch if you're reading this when you're back!)

I'm surprised there is room for it though.

If the existing rose has its cover screwed back on and the the new fitting is fed with flexible cable from the rose then it is perfectly acceptable.

DPG · Jan 19, 2019

Jjc said:
If the existing rose has its cover screwed back on and the the new fitting is fed with flexible cable from the rose then it is perfectly acceptable.

He has already said there is no room for the lid to stay in place.

Mark Huddleston · Jan 19, 2019

DPG said:
He has already said there is no room for the lid to stay in place.

Yeah that’s right and it’s all installed now minus the rose lid. Went up fine.

brianmoooore · Jan 19, 2019

Just to be pedantic,isn't there still a reg. that says solid core and flexibles shouldn't be in the same terminal? That rose only has a single earth terminal.

Mark Huddleston · Jan 19, 2019

brianmoooore said:
Just to be pedantic,isn't there still a reg. that says solid core and flexibles shouldn't be in the same terminal? That rose only has a single earth terminal.

God I hope not. I don’t fancy taking it down and changing it all now.

brianmoooore · Jan 19, 2019

I wouldn't worry about it too much! I've fitted lights with similar bases to yours on many occasions while leaving the rose in place. I've even fitted Crabtree roses (which have a lid secured by two screws) specifically to be able to fix the mounting bar on some fittings to it.
A bootlace ferrule can be added to the flexible wire to make it suitable for mixing with solid cores.

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