failed EICR, please can you advice

Julie. · Jan 4, 2022

ssn1122 said:
Thanks Julie , he has quoted £1000 to do all the work so wanted to ask for some advice on here .

Also can you explain what do you mean by socket within 3m of zone 1 . Should it be more than 3m away ?

When you have a bath or shower, the space around is defined by zones 0, 1 & 2, and there are different requirements for ingress protection (waterproofness), types of equipment etc for each zone.

There is also a regulation which prevents having a standard socket outlet within 3 metres.

However this only applies within the room itself, or if there isn't a barrier (door, window, hatch etc).

So you can have an outlet directly outside the bathroom door for example, but if you remove the door then it would be prohibited.

If the shower is contained within a proper enclosure (not just a leaky cubicle), again ok within 3 metres, (but not within zone 2), remove the shower enclosure then prohibited etc.

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timhoward · Jan 4, 2022

Just to add that the report says:
"Low voltage (e.g. 230 volt) socket-outlets sited at least 3 m from zone 1 (701.512.3) Fan isolation switch in bathroom and on-suite. x2 in total"
The first section was auto-completed from ticking a box elsewhere. I still think it actually refers to having fan isolators in zone 2. The "socket" could be a complete red herring, due to the wrong schedule item being chosen.

westward10 · Jan 4, 2022

timhoward said:
Just to add that the report says:
"Low voltage (e.g. 230 volt) socket-outlets sited at least 3 m from zone 1 (701.512.3) Fan isolation switch in bathroom and on-suite. x2 in total"
The first section was auto-completed from ticking a box elsewhere. I still think it actually refers to having fan isolators in zone 2. The "socket" could be a complete red herring, due to the wrong schedule item being chosen.

I agree but if these isolators are in zone 2 it wouldn't matter if they are waterproof, whatever that is or sprinkled with fairy dust they shouldn't be in zone 2. The report however isn't clear where they are and outside of this zone they can be standard isolators.

timhoward · Jan 4, 2022

westward10 said:
I agree but if these isolators are in zone 2 it wouldn't matter if they are waterproof, whatever that is or sprinkled with fairy dust they shouldn't be in zone 2. The report however isn't clear where they are and outside of this zone they can be standard isolators.

Agreed. It's definitely not an optimal write up...
btw the 'waterproof' thing was about lights and sockets under the kitchen sink - different items.

westward10 · Jan 4, 2022

timhoward said:
Agreed. It's definitely not an optimal write up...
btw the 'waterproof' thing was about lights and sockets under the kitchen sink - different items.

It mentions waterproof isolators in #1. The house will end up looking like a plant room

timhoward · Jan 4, 2022

westward10 said:
It mentions waterproof isolators in #1. The house will end up looking like a plant room

Ah - I was looking at the report itself which is a bit (but not much!) clearer than the paraphrased version from the landlord.

brianmoooore · Jan 4, 2022

No zone around the bathroom basin in my version of the 18th!

westward10 · Jan 4, 2022

brianmoooore said:
No zone around the bathroom basin in my version of the 18th!

There has never been a zone surrounding the sink but a lot of pics online show one.

brianmoooore · Jan 4, 2022

westward10 said:
There has never been a zone surrounding the sink but a lot of pics online show one.

I'm well aware of that, but it's the kind of thing that gives rise to spurious coding on EICRs - the subject of this thread.

timhoward · Jan 4, 2022

brianmoooore said:
I'm well aware of that, but it's the kind of thing that gives rise to spurious coding on EICRs - the subject of this thread.

Do a google image search for "bathroom zones", and 18 of the first 20 results show one!
It takes concerted effort to find a correct diagram unfortunately.

Julie. · Jan 4, 2022

timhoward said:
Do a google image search for "bathroom zones", and 18 of the first 20 results show one!
It takes concerted effort to find a correct diagram unfortunately.

Damm

I looked through a few and finally picked a poor one!!

pc1966 · Jan 4, 2022

timhoward said:
Do a google image search for "bathroom zones", and 18 of the first 20 results show one!
It takes concerted effort to find a correct diagram unfortunately.

The 60cm seems quite specific though, is that some general guidance for sinks instead of bathroom-specific zones?

timhoward · Jan 4, 2022

pc1966 said:
The 60cm seems quite specific though, is that some general guidance for sinks instead of bathroom-specific zones?

There's nothing specific in BS7671. There are a few documents that mention 30cm, e.g. NHBC technical notes, GN1, and those fine fellows upholding the standards of the industry at NICEIC...

Section 512.2 has only general comments for the external influence of Water.

ImpededLoop · Jan 4, 2022

pc1966 said:
The 60cm seems quite specific though, is that some general guidance for sinks instead of bathroom-specific zones?

There's no sign of it in Section 701, so I suspect it's the interpretation of whoever produced that diagram.

westward10 · Jan 4, 2022

What happened one site produced the drawing with the zone around the sink. A second site who wanted to put a pic on their site Googled it and up came the zoned sink drawing, they copied it. Can you see where this is going.

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