Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

Darkwood · Mar 21, 2015

Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

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Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago.

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nicebutdim · Jun 14, 2022

mainline said:
Yes, no opposite notches.

Does this apply to the entire joist - ie. if it is notched anywhere along the top, it shouldn't be notched anywhere along the bottom?

Where's @Mike Johnson ? He's a mine of information on building regs.

mainline · Jun 14, 2022

nicebutdim said:
Does this apply to the entire joist - ie. if it is notched anywhere along the top, it shouldn't be notched anywhere along the bottom?

I don't think a notch deep enough to sink a 1mm cable in is going to be much of a concern toward weakening a joist.

mainline · Jun 14, 2022

nicebutdim said:
Does this apply to the entire joist - ie. if it is notched anywhere along the top, it shouldn't be notched anywhere along the bottom?

Where's @Mike Johnson ? He's a mine of information on building regs.

Oh yes i totally agree Mike Mike where are you

westward10 · Jun 14, 2022

I think this has been debated enough this thread is about dodgy trade pics start a thread if you want to discuss this further.

partplonker · Jun 18, 2022

Clearly the installer didn't do any testing and mixed up the feed in and out to a shed in this log cabin. Interesting use of self adhesive trunking and for the feed in the house, a strange "tails" (inner conductors from a 10mm sheathed cable), earth and 30mA RCD arrangement instead of just coming out of the board above that already has a 30mA RCD main switch.

mainline · Jun 18, 2022

You can tell Delboy didn't do it, as the trunking would have been neat.

What earthing system has it ?

Love the rcd isolator, makes it much safer, eh !.

partplonker · Jun 18, 2022

mainline said:
You can tell Delboy didn't do it, as the trunking would have been neat.

I was thinking of Delboy when I saw all that wonky trunking. I was thinking "no electrician done that!"

mainline said:
What earthing system has it ?

It's PME, but the property is very rural and supplied by an overhead cable. It probably used to be TT.

mainline said:
Love the rcd isolator, makes it much safer, eh !.

Sure does, in the event of a fault they'll both trip so it's doubly safe!

mainline · Jun 18, 2022

partplonker said:
I was thinking of Delboy when I saw all that wonky trunking. I was thinking "no electrician done that!"

It's PME, but the property is very rural and supplied by an overhead cable. It probably used to be TT.

Sure does, in the event of a fault they'll both trip so it's doubly safe!

What size i assume swa 3 core ?

Is the PME exported ?

partplonker · Jun 18, 2022

mainline said:
What size i assume swa 3 core ?

Yeah, 3 core 10mm SWA

mainline said:
Is the PME exported ?

It is. The structure is all wood and there are no extraneous conductive parts (and no gas or water in there either). It's only a short run as the cabin is about 10 feet from the house.

mainline · Jun 18, 2022

partplonker said:
Yeah, 3 core 10mm SWA

It is. The structure is all wood and there are no extraneous conductive parts (and no gas or water in there either). It's only a short run as the cabin is about 10 feet from the house.

I can't really understand why they didn't gland into the CU rather than leave the single insulation.

littlespark · Jun 18, 2022

I’m not a fan of mini trunking on wood.
This is awful.

partplonker · Jun 18, 2022

mainline said:
I can't really understand why they didn't gland into the CU rather than leave the single insulation.

Me neither, none of it makes sense. I can only assume that because he used a 20mm knockout and grommet in the bottom of the board that a 10mm with the sheath on wouldn't fit through the hole, so he removed the sheath. Adding another RCD as an isolator when you've just come out of a board off an MCB with RCD protection is baffling, shows a lack of understanding of switchgear and selectivity.

Annoyingly, he hadn't quite left enough on that cable for me to take it into the board directly and for it to reach all the terminals, so I ended up putting a box directly below the CU to join it (and taking the earth through the board instead of it just dangling). Looks a bit neater now.

I should have taken more photos. Bizarrely, in the next room, he clipped that 10mm cable all around the top of the plastered wall just below the ceiling. The one place where trunking would have been an acceptable thing to use and he doesn't, yet he slaps horrible trunking all over the inside of the cabin on wood so the owner now has goo to remove where I've ripped it all out.

(Edit: It's probably not clear from the photo - it's 10mm twin and earth from the board, there's a junction box in the next room where it switches to armoured).

Raptor0014 · Jun 25, 2022

Doing a EICR prior to a CU change and was flummoxed as to why I had a break in continuity on a Ring.

Went round the property checked every single socket. Couldn’t see a problem. Asked customer if they’d had any work done and said nothing electrical no.

So ended up going back this week to spend the day trying to work out where the problem was.

Went up in the loft and was tracing the circuit around and notice there was an unusual diversion down to the airing cupboard.

Checked in there and nothing doing apart from the old switched fused spur for the immersion. Which wasn’t on the ring circuit.

Asked customer where the immersion had gone and they said it had been moved to the back of the utility in an unused alcove as they had a new tank fitted ready for me to install a solar diverter (which they had yet to ask me about).

So thought I’d just go and have a look and found this nicely positioned socket behind the tank, and Sod’s Law was the one that had the break in it.

So 6hrs wasted (3 of which was getting at the socket to rectify the issue) But it killed two birds with one stone as I converted it to a fused spur with flex outlet to run the solar iBoost from and restored the ring continuity.

All I can say is thank god I had the Wera Tool Check Plus as even my stubby slim screwdrivers were two big to get at the screws.

iBoost worked great once installed however. So a happy ending.

DPG · Jun 25, 2022

Raptor0014 said:
Doing a EICR prior to a CU change and was flummoxed as to why I had a break in continuity on a Ring.

Went round the property checked every single socket. Couldn’t see a problem. Asked customer if they’d had any work done and said nothing electrical no.

So ended up going back this week to spend the day trying to work out where the problem was.

Went up in the loft and was tracing the circuit around and notice there was an unusual diversion down to the airing cupboard.

Checked in there and nothing doing apart from the old switched fused spur for the immersion. Which wasn’t on the ring circuit.

Asked customer where the immersion had gone and they said it had been moved to the back of the utility in an unused alcove as they had a new tank fitted ready for me to install a solar diverter (which they had yet to ask me about).

So thought I’d just go and have a look and found this nicely positioned socket behind the tank, and Sod’s Law was the one that had the break in it.

So 6hrs wasted (3 of which was getting at the socket to rectify the issue) But it killed two birds with one stone as I converted it to a fused spur with flex outlet to run the solar iBoost from and restored the ring continuity.

All I can say is thank god I had the Wera Tool Check Plus as even my stubby slim screwdrivers were two big to get at the screws.

iBoost worked great once installed however. So a happy ending.

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You did well getting into that and sorting the connections.

Raptor0014 · Jun 25, 2022

DPG said:
You did well getting into that and sorting the connections.

I wouldn’t do it again. It was only because it was going to save me the hassle of chasing in a cable for the solar iBoost supply. Next time I’ll just either break the ring into two radials and disable the socket. Or, if possible, disable the socket and rejoin the ring in a wago box if I can.

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