Is this JB adequate for the design and use.

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• Dec 9, 2022

• #76

Mike Johnson said:

Well I can't open a Wago box without a screwdriver inserted under the lid and levering the thing open, the lid clips are certainly tough.

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You can squeeze the front and open them, but correctly closed boxes won't open unintentionally. I was getting at the fact that a robust and secure box is only considered maintenance free when secured with something little stronger than cobweb.

I get that some distinction must be drawn, but all too often such distinctions within BS7671 seem quite arbitrary.

 

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Arthritic hands means I can't squeeze anything with any pressure let alone a Wago box, but I was talking about the lighting downlight box's Like the pic below, not the bigger ones which may open with a good squeeze, but as said previously, the manufactures instruction say secure with a cable tie, a**e covering IMO.

 

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• Dec 10, 2022

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The Wago light boxes are not MF.
Although they don't need to be MF when they're used for downlight connections, because they are accessible by means of the hole in the ceiling in most cases.

 

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Quite true, but the only reason is because they are not marked as such, they do meet all the criteria to be MF.

 

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Quite true, but the only reason is because they are not marked as such, they do meet all the criteria to be MF.

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For one, they are moulded differently so that the connectors slide in to ensure that the levers' can't open.
So no, they don't fit the criteria.

 

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If you put them side by side the levers can't open.

 

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If you put them side by side the levers can't open.

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Better still would be to use push fit ones, but it still wouldn't make the boxes compliant for MF use.

 

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Good to see you are still following my post so closely.

 

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Good to see you are still following my post so closely.

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I usually reply when I think someone is giving out misinformation.

 

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Did a wee job for my neighbour yesterday...extending a ring to incorporate a double socket...didn't have the Wago box size I wanted, just a bigger one, but it's behind a dishwasher...
No earth on the existing socket, but hey...the CPCs had just fallen out of the terminal, so easily fixed...
Got a Schneider box, bunged the 221s in, the lid is quite deep, so it all fitted, just, after some squeezing...all worked fine, tested ok, plenty space behind the d/w...and then saw there was a 700mm worktop, so a Wago XL would have fitted in fine on the back wall,...
Look...look...look again! My knees though...
Going back on Monday to make a proper job of it!
Was a bit worried that the socket had a spur through a white, round JB...but it's all ok...that spur just feeds the double socket in the living room...and only a TV, sound bar, HiFi system, Alexa, an 8-way power strip, into which is plugged a 6-way...two heaters. 2 table lamps, the Christmas tree...
Honestly, the previous owner was nuts! Every time I go there I find sh*t that would make you cringe! However, at least he used H0RN5 flex from the JB through the wall to the socket! Obviously knew the d/w might leak at some point...

 

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I usually reply when I think someone is giving out misinformation.

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I bet you keep score as well.

 

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• Dec 10, 2022

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I think, perhaps, it may be time to stop flogging this particular horse, I feel it may be dead.

 

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I think, perhaps, it may be time to stop flogging this particular horse, I feel it may be dead.

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Time to drop the dead donkey.

 

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Time to drop the dead donkey.

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No no no, I'm counting on this thread that started with a photo of an all-too-common sight in many an older loft reaching 100 posts. ...

It does show that there is a lot of misunderstanding about the use of Wago & Ideal connectors, their enclosures, and when they can or can not be called maintenance free.

 

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Shaun H said:

I found this JB in the loft, the mice have eaten the JB cover as well as some of the wiring, but aside all that in your opinion do you think the JB is overloaded?

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NO

 

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