Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

Darkwood · Mar 21, 2015

Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago.

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LewisM · May 7, 2023

Posting my own in, din rail is fitted and covers come off as one, screws are to let sealant dry

Was done to power video doorbell

mainline · May 11, 2023

A few

joints amongst that lot not needed.

Dustydazzler · May 11, 2023

Looks like the wiring i take out most lofts most weeks.

Raptor0014 · May 11, 2023

Found this today during an EICR. At least they earthed the back box…..

On another ring I had a break in continuity L-L. Narrowed it down to between 2 sockets in different rooms. Between each of the rooms was a bathroom.

A little investigation and found an old wall heater junction box.

Funny enough when I took the tape off and placed them into Wago’s the ring continuity was restored.

westward10 · May 11, 2023

Raptor0014 said:
Found this today during an EICR. At least they earthed the back box…..

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On another ring I had a break in continuity L-L. Narrowed it down to between 2 sockets in different rooms. Between each of the rooms was a bathroom.

A little investigation and found an old wall heater junction box.

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Funny enough when I took the tape off and placed them into Wago’s the ring continuity was restored.

Did you connect the cpcs to the back box so it is earthed.

Raptor0014 · May 11, 2023

westward10 said:
Did you connect the cpcs to the back box so it is earthed.

Replaced the socket front and earthed both socket and back box. I also did the old heater point now junction box one too.

Mike Johnson · May 11, 2023

There is an argument that the socket is earthed if one of its screw fixing is into a fixed lug in a metal back box, as long as the back box is earthed.

Dustydazzler · May 11, 2023

Mike Johnson said:
There is an argument that the socket is earthed if one of its screw fixing is into a fixed lug in a metal back box, as long as the back box is earthed.

I have heard some old times sparks mention this , but if the screw is loose or rusted up then the connection to the erath lug will be carp

Dustydazzler · May 11, 2023

i have come across plenty rusted up old backbozes with completely rusted screws , not so many rusted up terminal screws on the actual accessory thou

Raptor0014 · May 11, 2023

Mike Johnson said:
There is an argument that the socket is earthed if one of its screw fixing is into a fixed lug in a metal back box, as long as the back box is earthed.

I’ve heard that argument. But for the sake of a socket front that costs £4 I can’t understand why they didn’t just replace the socket front.

I have a slack handful of different terminal screws that I keep. But none of them would fit this socket for some reason. So I just replaced the front.

westward10 · May 11, 2023

Mike Johnson said:
There is an argument that the socket is earthed if one of its screw fixing is into a fixed lug in a metal back box, as long as the back box is earthed.

That isn't an argument cpcs connect initially to the accessory.

pc1966 · May 11, 2023

Mike Johnson said:
That would also apply to the terminal screws, but we do those up with our torque driver don't we.

Terminals are usually brass so little risk of corrosion in any sane environment.

There reverse is more reasonable, if the accessories is earthed by the CPC then the back-box is acceptably so via the screws, also normally you can't touch that.

Stop, Hammer time!

ipf · May 11, 2023

pc1966 said:
Terminals are usually brass so little risk of corrosion in any sane environment.
There reverse is more reasonable, if the accessories is earthed by the CPC then the back-box is acceptably so via the screws, also normally you can't touch that.
Stop, Hammer time!

Yep, no matter what, the accessory should be earthed. Touch point is important. The back box is the secondary, although, in most cases, IMO, it should also be cable connected.
Why do accessories and boxes both have earth connection points, anyway?

oscar21 · May 13, 2023

A builder we do work for is building a kitchen extension, I know he has done electrical work himself in the past before I knew him as half his house has "DIY" electrics all over the show. So we are wiring the kitchen/diner/utility for him, last time we were there the kitchen was 2nd fixed and the utility was 1st fixed, we turned up on Friday and he had taken it upon himself to move all the sockets we 1st fixed into new positions as he changed his mind, not only that he got it plastered and he second fixed it himself, All he wanted us to do was swap the fronts for chrome (oh and a cert).

Firstly he said the screws didn't quite reach so he got longer screws but they were too long so when he tightened one of them it ripped the lug of one of the boxes, when I removed the fronts I was this. as you can see, no grommets, way too short and stripped back with a machete. Can you imagine the pain it caused trying to sort that out, wonder if he has adhered to safe zones.

Dustydazzler · May 13, 2023

This is so typical of builders wiring , roughly installed , stripped with an axe, cores all twisted up and bent and all mangled terminations.
We find this type of brand New install all of the time , literally all of the time.
I honestly think they just don't give a ---- , even in their own house

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