Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

[Darkwood]

<div class="bbWrapper">Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I&#039;ve done in the Arms..<br /> <br /> Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.<br /> Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&amp;S pic&#039;s welcome.<br /> <br /> <script class="js-extraPhrases" type="application/json"> { "lightbox_close": "Close", "lightbox_next": "Next", "lightbox_previous": "Previous", "lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.", "lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow", "lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow", "lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen", "lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails", "lightbox_download": "Download", "lightbox_share": "Share", "lightbox_zoom": "Zoom", "lightbox_new_window": "New window", "lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar" } </script> <a href="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/beware-plumbers-jpg.28495/" target="_blank" class="js-lbImage" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html=""><img src="https://electricians.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/data/attachments/19/19802-83583114289b9f2b1167ccc17eea5e0a.jpg?hash=g1gxFCibny" class="bbImage " style="" alt="Beware plumbers!!!.jpg" title="Beware plumbers!!!.jpg" width="979" height="550" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> I&#039;ve posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/[email protected]/assets/72x72/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="72" height="72" alt=":o" title="Eek! :o" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" />mg_smile:<br /> <br /> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="Beware plumbers!!!.jpg" data-src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/beware-plumbers-jpg.28495/" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/beware-plumbers-jpg.28495/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="Beware plumbers!!!.jpg" title="Beware plumbers!!!.jpg" width="1919" height="1079" loading="lazy" /> </div></div>

 

[LewisM]

<div class="bbWrapper">Posting my own in, din rail is fitted and covers come off as one, screws are to let sealant dry<br /> <br /> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="IMG-20230507-WA0020.jpeg" data-src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/img-20230507-wa0020-jpeg.107949/" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/img-20230507-wa0020-jpeg.107949/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="IMG-20230507-WA0020.jpeg" title="IMG-20230507-WA0020.jpeg" width="1125" height="2000" loading="lazy" /> </div><div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="PXL_20230507_160824268.jpg" data-src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/pxl_20230507_160824268-jpg.107950/" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/pxl_20230507_160824268-jpg.107950/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="PXL_20230507_160824268.jpg" title="PXL_20230507_160824268.jpg" width="1125" height="2000" loading="lazy" /> </div><br /> <br /> Was done to power video doorbell</div>

 

[mainline]

<div class="bbWrapper">A few <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="IMG_0341.JPG" data-src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/img_0341-jpg.108073/" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/img_0341-jpg.108073/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="IMG_0341.JPG" title="IMG_0341.JPG" width="480" height="640" loading="lazy" /> </div>joints amongst that lot not needed.</div>

 

[Dustydazzler]

<div class="bbWrapper">Looks like the wiring i take out most lofts most weeks.</div>

 

[Raptor0014]

<div class="bbWrapper">Found this today during an EICR. At least they earthed the back box….. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🙄" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/[email protected]/assets/72x72/1f644.png" title="Face with rolling eyes :rolling_eyes:" data-shortname=":rolling_eyes:" loading="lazy" width="72" height="72" /> <br /> <br /> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="IMG_1429.jpeg" data-src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/img_1429-jpeg.108084/" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/img_1429-jpeg.108084/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="IMG_1429.jpeg" title="IMG_1429.jpeg" width="2000" height="1791" loading="lazy" /> </div><br /> <br /> On another ring I had a break in continuity L-L. Narrowed it down to between 2 sockets in different rooms. Between each of the rooms was a bathroom. <br /> <br /> A little investigation and found an old wall heater junction box. <br /> <br /> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="IMG_1430.jpeg" data-src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/img_1430-jpeg.108085/" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/img_1430-jpeg.108085/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="IMG_1430.jpeg" title="IMG_1430.jpeg" width="1927" height="2000" loading="lazy" /> </div><br /> <br /> Funny enough when I took the tape off and placed them into Wago’s the ring continuity was restored.</div>

 

[westward10]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 137911" data-quote="Raptor0014" data-source="post: 1825784" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1825784" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1825784">Raptor0014 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Found this today during an EICR. At least they earthed the back box….. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🙄" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/[email protected]/assets/72x72/1f644.png" title="Face with rolling eyes :rolling_eyes:" data-shortname=":rolling_eyes:" loading="lazy" width="72" height="72" /><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/108084/" target="_blank">View attachment 108084</a><br /> <br /> On another ring I had a break in continuity L-L. Narrowed it down to between 2 sockets in different rooms. Between each of the rooms was a bathroom.<br /> <br /> A little investigation and found an old wall heater junction box.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/108085/" target="_blank">View attachment 108085</a><br /> <br /> Funny enough when I took the tape off and placed them into Wago’s the ring continuity was restored. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Did you connect the cpcs to the back box so it is earthed.</div>

 

[Raptor0014]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 96060" data-quote="westward10" data-source="post: 1825786" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1825786" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1825786">westward10 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Did you connect the cpcs to the back box so it is earthed. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Replaced the socket front and earthed both socket and back box. I also did the old heater point now junction box one too.</div>

 

[Mike Johnson]

<div class="bbWrapper">There is an argument that the socket is earthed if one of its screw fixing is into a fixed lug in a metal back box, as long as the back box is earthed.</div>

 

[Dustydazzler]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 43554" data-quote="Mike Johnson" data-source="post: 1825791" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1825791" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1825791">Mike Johnson said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> There is an argument that the socket is earthed if one of its screw fixing is into a fixed lug in a metal back box, as long as the back box is earthed. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I have heard some old times sparks mention this , but if the screw is loose or rusted up then the connection to the erath lug will be carp</div>

 

[Dustydazzler]

<div class="bbWrapper">i have come across plenty rusted up old backbozes with completely rusted screws , not so many rusted up terminal screws on the actual accessory thou</div>

 

[Raptor0014]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 43554" data-quote="Mike Johnson" data-source="post: 1825791" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1825791" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1825791">Mike Johnson said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> There is an argument that the socket is earthed if one of its screw fixing is into a fixed lug in a metal back box, as long as the back box is earthed. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I’ve heard that argument. But for the sake of a socket front that costs £4 I can’t understand why they didn’t just replace the socket front. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷🏼‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/[email protected]/assets/72x72/1f937-1f3fc-200d-2642-fe0f.png" title="Man shrugging: medium-light skin tone :man_shrugging_tone2:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging_tone2:" loading="lazy" width="72" height="72" /><br /> <br /> I have a slack handful of different terminal screws that I keep. But none of them would fit this socket for some reason. So I just replaced the front.</div>

 

[westward10]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 43554" data-quote="Mike Johnson" data-source="post: 1825791" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1825791" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1825791">Mike Johnson said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> There is an argument that the socket is earthed if one of its screw fixing is into a fixed lug in a metal back box, as long as the back box is earthed. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>That isn&#039;t an argument cpcs connect initially to the accessory.</div>

 

[pc1966]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 43554" data-quote="Mike Johnson" data-source="post: 1825793" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1825793" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1825793">Mike Johnson said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> That would also apply to the terminal screws, but we do those up with our torque driver don&#039;t we. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤔" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/[email protected]/assets/72x72/1f914.png" title="Thinking face :thinking:" data-shortname=":thinking:" loading="lazy" width="72" height="72" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Terminals are usually brass so little risk of corrosion in any sane environment.<br /> <br /> There reverse is more reasonable, if the accessories is earthed by the CPC then the back-box is acceptably so via the screws, also normally you can&#039;t touch that.<br /> <br /> Stop, Hammer time!</div>

 

[ipf]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 126979" data-quote="pc1966" data-source="post: 1825819" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1825819" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1825819">pc1966 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Terminals are usually brass so little risk of corrosion in any sane environment.<br /> There reverse is more reasonable, if the accessories is earthed by the CPC then the back-box is acceptably so via the screws, also normally you can&#039;t touch that.<br /> Stop, Hammer time! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yep, no matter what, the accessory should be earthed. Touch point is important. The back box is the secondary, although, in most cases, IMO, it should also be cable connected.<br /> Why do accessories and boxes both have earth connection points, anyway?</div>

 

[oscar21]

<div class="bbWrapper">A builder we do work for is building a kitchen extension, I know he has done electrical work himself in the past before I knew him as half his house has &quot;DIY&quot; electrics all over the show. So we are wiring the kitchen/diner/utility for him, last time we were there the kitchen was 2nd fixed and the utility was 1st fixed, we turned up on Friday and he had taken it upon himself to move all the sockets we 1st fixed into new positions as he changed his mind, not only that he got it plastered and he second fixed it himself, All he wanted us to do was swap the fronts for chrome (oh and a cert).<br /> <br /> Firstly he said the screws didn&#039;t quite reach so he got longer screws but they were too long so when he tightened one of them it ripped the lug of one of the boxes, when I removed the fronts I was this. as you can see, no grommets, way too short and stripped back with a machete. Can you imagine the pain it caused trying to sort that out, wonder if he has adhered to safe zones.</div>

 

[Dustydazzler]

<div class="bbWrapper">This is so typical of builders wiring , roughly installed , stripped with an axe, cores all twisted up and bent and all mangled terminations.<br /> We find this type of brand New install all of the time , literally all of the time.<br /> I honestly think they just don&#039;t give a ---- , even in their own house</div>