12500 new electricians required. Does this mean even lower wages

[Steve000]

Over 12,500 electricians needed for new technology skills demand - The Electrotechnical Skills Partnership - https://www.the-esp.org.uk/latest-news/over-12500-electricians-needed-for-new-technology-skills-demand/

This is what an industry training organisations TESP is saying, bit of course they would . Self interest supersedes all other considerations.

What do you think, there is still little or no work in the nation's capital

 

[Dustydazzler]

First up Scams don’t give a rats about safety, they are in it like pigs at a trough to make money

Most home owners ain’t got a clue what part pee is

They want a cheap job done and don’t ask questions

 

[Steve000]

We don't need nanny state monitoring from profiteering organisations such as JIB ECA NIC NAPIT don't need it. Just need qualified card bearing sparks that stand alone as responsible for the good or bad work with appropriate penalties for dangerous or less than spec compliant work. A builder is gonna think twice about trying to pretend to be a spark if is house and his savings are on the line. Why all the bs so called industry bodies taking cash of the poor old spark in the name of compliance or standards. 12500 reasons to think about a new way of making a living

 

[PEG]

I don't know what everybody is flapping about.....out of that supposed 12500,8000 are going to do more harm,than good,and that will require top men,to sort out

All my life,i have seen these "we need x number of xxxx's"

The truth is,we might....but getting,training and paying them,always seems to be the cause of it never happening

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Standards today:
Wiring up some PIRs in Student accommodation.
Me:
You’ve given me 3 core flex, we need 4 core.
Perm Live, Neutral, Earth and Switch Live.
Response:
Nah, just put some black tape round the Earth core and that’s the Perm Live.

 

[Steve000]

So what are you using for cpc

 

[Deleted member 26818]

So what are you using for cpc

Doesn’t need one as there’s no earth terminal on the PIR.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Standards today:
Wiring up some PIRs in Student accommodation.
Me:
You’ve given me 3 core flex, we need 4 core.
Perm Live, Neutral, Earth and Switch Live.
Response:
Nah, just put some black tape round the Earth core and that’s the Perm Live.

Yep seen this loads of times

Just as good seen them regularly wired in t&e with the bare cpc used as the N

 

[Zerax]

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2. Unqualified builders, kitchen/bathroom fitters etc shouldn't be allowed to touch electrical work. Should be a criminal offence with a minimum fine of £5000 IMO if you're not qualified and not providing certification. The scam who it's reported to and gathers evidence should get half that money to incentivise them.
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For working with gas you MUST pay an annual fee to Gas Safe (there's only one scam)... that's the law... but this does not prevent some very poor workmanship. If you cause an explosion, Gas Safe are NOT responsible for anything. It's the HSE that will be asking you questions... Crazy crazy system !! We don't want to see this in the electrical industry.

The answer is to have far harsher penalties for poor workmanship and/or causing injury etc... put the onus back onto the person doing the work... this will encourage the DIY-er to outsource and encourage professionals to keep up to date with skills and knowledge.

What does a certificate really mean ??

If you have an MOT on your van, does it mean that it's roadworthy ??

...just sayin'

 

[Zerax]

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3. Poor quality training in many places for youngsters coming into the trade. Too much emphasis in the big firms/agencies on thrashing through jobs as quickly and cheaply as possible.
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The main reason for training youngsters is to keep the NEETs figures down (Not in Employment, Education or Training). It has nothing to do with properly training them... It's a legacy of the Blair/Brown years.

I was chatting to a girl who was working in my local a while ago (no, not like that !!)... she was at college studying 'small animal management'... Full time !! For 2 years !!

 

[Steve000]

Doesn't need a cpc because there's no earth terminal?

 

[Steve000]

Doesn't need a cop because there's no earth terminal? Are you serious.

 

[Steve000]

:-(

 

[Dustydazzler]

The main reason for training youngsters is to keep the NEETs figures down (Not in Employment, Education or Training). It has nothing to do with properly training them... It's a legacy of the Blair/Brown years.

I was chatting to a girl who was working in my local a while ago (no, not like that !!)... she was at college studying 'small animal management'... Full time !! For 2 years !!

Funny you should mention that , I do a part of part time security and event work and often chat to a lot of the students who are working the bar , doing the tickets etc.
I spoke to one guy who graduated after 3 years at university om 'small animal management' and now works at petsathome on £8.21 per hour.
Does it really take 3 years at university to work at petsathome ??

 

[telectrix]

Doesn't need a cpc because there's no earth terminal?

maybe not, but the cable up to the fitting needs a cpc.

 

[Pete999]

maybe not, but the cable up to the fitting needs a cpc.

Basic stuff Tel, shame some "Electricians" don't know this.