18th Edition ....................

[Octopus]

We all know the 18th edition is going to be forced on us next year.

So my question is, who makes these important decisions, not just what is included but the over reliance on making changes too often .................. I'd like to hear their justifications for making the seemingly too frequent changes............

Thanks

 

[static zap]

. Just scrolling through the document to find the comments is so tedious.

I had similar thoughts , a condensed changes + relevant sections , would make it more easy to navigate .
The nature of the constant change makes summaries problematic .
( Maybe the risk of confusion ,changes that don't make it - keeps it a document for the dedicated )

 

[Octopus]

I think that BS 7671 is turning into the bible .... written by a variety of people over the decades, all with slightly different perspectives on the subject matter!

 

[Rpa07]

Oi, mind your tongue @Murdoch - the Bible was written by the Holy Spirit through anointed men over time.
There is more evidence of the birth death and resurrection of Jesus Christ than there is of Julius Caesar existing.
I do however agree with you that the BS7671 is becoming somewhat fictional!

 

[Des 56]

What has always bugged me is having to buy a new edition of war and peace every time a new edition is conjured up

The regs need not be edition after regular edition,it could be a rolling file,either paper or electronic, updated annually or even monthly,we need either insert and remove new pages or electronic updates as they are formed

I also don't like the idea that a organisation can make a standard then charge for individuals to pay to know what that standard contains

 

[UNG]

You only have to look at the list of committee members to realise that there are a number of them that have nothing technical to bring to the party other than the profitability of the publications that it spawns.

The purchase of the regs, associated guidance notes, onsite guide, update course and exams plus the lost productive time etc is now becoming a significant overhead just so you can work

The 17th edition amendment 3 is a prime example of how the regs where changed to suit a minority, LFB used it's localised stats to give us a totally misunderstood regulation and make metal consumer units mandatory when in the rest of the country the same stats didn't show the same trend. The solution would have been to review the training and competence of operatives but it is easier to cover it up by those with a vested interest on the committee it also seems strange that the way the fire stats are collected has been changed so it is difficult to analyse any improvement
A bit like the introduction of Part P followed by the RCD everything 17th edition it made people believe Part P was effective legislation without looking at the bigger picture

 

[ruston]

A boring read? That must be the understatement of the century. Just scrolling through the document to find the comments is so tedious.

It's all part of the cunning plan to make you complacent and get lost in the boring small print and layout so we will roll over and let them make their profit of something that they break in the first place; and that we don't really need or want.
As the list shows there may be a vested interest or two.

 

[Midwest]

I had similar thoughts , a condensed changes + relevant sections , would make it more easy to navigate .
The nature of the constant change makes summaries problematic .

If your talking about the draft, it does summaries the main changes in the introduction.

 

[static zap]

If your talking about the draft, it does summaries the main changes in the introduction.

Apologies I must have forgotten reading it , when I got well stuck into schrolling for red bits !
( Exceptions disappering !)

 

[Octopus]

It's all part of the cunning plan to make you complacent and get lost in the boring small print and layout so we will roll over and let them make their profit of something that they break in the first place; and that we don't really need or want.
As the list shows there may be a vested interest or two.

A vested interest or 2 '......... More like nearly all of them

 

[Midwest]

Seems we are not alone in our views;

Reluctant support for 18th edition of the ‘Wiring Regulations’ - Modern Building Services - http://www.modbs.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/17217/Reluctant_support_for_18th_edition_of_the__91Wiring_Regulations_92.html

 

[Octopus]

^^ so only 6% of sparks support the changes ........... time for EF to have a poll!

 

[Midwest]

^^ so only 6% of sparks support the changes ........... time for EF to have a poll!

Think you'll find the result will be clearer than Brexit

 

[mattg4321]

The website to view and comment on the proposed 18th edition is farcical.

It seems to have been designed to make it as difficult as possible to locate and comment on a subject. Thats without the painfully slow loading times most have been experiencing.

I've just commented advising the removal of Part 8 as this is not concerned with safety and has no place in BS7671. It's already covered in Building Regulations.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Steve Martin, ECA Head of Technical:

"These ECA survey findings should be seen as a wakeup call to those determined to push ahead with all the proposed changes to the Wiring Regulations. It’s vital that the voices of electrotechnical businesses and electricians are heard during this process"

ECA survey findings - draft 18th Edition of BS 7671

 

[Deleted member 26818]

You can download the draft.