18th Edition ....................

[Octopus]

We all know the 18th edition is going to be forced on us next year.

So my question is, who makes these important decisions, not just what is included but the over reliance on making changes too often .................. I'd like to hear their justifications for making the seemingly too frequent changes............

Thanks

 

[Octopus]

^^ so only 6% of sparks support the changes ........... time for EF to have a poll!

 

[Midwest]

^^ so only 6% of sparks support the changes ........... time for EF to have a poll!

Think you'll find the result will be clearer than Brexit

 

[mattg4321]

The website to view and comment on the proposed 18th edition is farcical.

It seems to have been designed to make it as difficult as possible to locate and comment on a subject. Thats without the painfully slow loading times most have been experiencing.

I've just commented advising the removal of Part 8 as this is not concerned with safety and has no place in BS7671. It's already covered in Building Regulations.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Steve Martin, ECA Head of Technical:

"These ECA survey findings should be seen as a wakeup call to those determined to push ahead with all the proposed changes to the Wiring Regulations. It’s vital that the voices of electrotechnical businesses and electricians are heard during this process"

ECA survey findings - draft 18th Edition of BS 7671

 

[Deleted member 26818]

You can download the draft.

 

[telectrix]

You can download the draft.

better things to do, mow the lawn, paint the shed. then i can watch the grass grow and the paint dry. far more exciting.

 

[sparksburnout]

I think that BS 7671 is turning into the bible .... written by a variety of people over the decades, all with slightly different perspectives on the subject matter!

Don't be bloody silly Murdoch, at least BS7671 has some grip on reality!

 

[sparksburnout]

Anyway I have got some insider information. The DNO round here have been digging all the substation gardens up and sticking loads of earth rods in a sort of grid matrix and then chucking a load of concrete over the top. When I asked one of the contractors what it was all about he said "Oh it's something to do with reinforcing the PME network mate". So I reckon we won't have to be sticking earth rods in to existing PME installations. I do hope not, there will be a lot of water/gas/leccy cables having earth rods rammed through them.

 

[JK-Electrical]

then i can watch the grass grow

Or you could listen to it grow instead .....

 

[Toneyz]

The website to view and comment on the proposed 18th edition is farcical.

It seems to have been designed to make it as difficult as possible to locate and comment on a subject. Thats without the painfully slow loading times most have been experiencing.

I've just commented advising the removal of Part 8 as this is not concerned with safety and has no place in BS7671. It's already covered in Building Regulations.

This is the point that I've been making the regs are going way beyond your average electrical contractor/electrician as above new part 8 ,electric car charging etc. could be a separate British Standard on its own eg like emergency lighting ,fire alarms, portable appliance testing lighting protection to name but a few.It could be offered as a downloadable update to install in ring binder and then there's the cost how much is the regs book now £80+ I've got a paperback MK catalogue with as many pages (some with colour printing) for free.Another thing how long until it is out than a corrigendum is issued.

 

[sparksburnout]

This is the point that I've been making the regs are going way beyond your average electrical contractor/electrician as above new part 8 ,electric car charging etc. could be a separate British Standard on its own eg like emergency lighting ,fire alarms, portable appliance testing lighting protection to name but a few.It could be offered as a downloadable update to install in ring binder and then there's the cost how much is the regs book now £80+ I've got a paperback MK catalogue with as many pages (some with colour printing) for free.Another thing how long until it is out than a corrigendum is issued.

Exactly. £80+, then there is the OSG, that's another £35. I will have shelled out more than £450 in the last 6 years for reg's books it completely ridiculous.

 

[mattg4321]

Well if we keep bending over and taking it then they'll keep doing it.

Needs a significant number of sparks to say enough is enough to make them change. Any ideas anyone?

I'm happy to pay the costs involved every few years in changing a few pages and adding them to a ring binder. Should be less than a tenner!?

That's without mentioning the waste of paper which is mildly outrageous.

 

[sparksburnout]

Well if we keep bending over and taking it then they'll keep doing it.

Needs a significant number of sparks to say enough is enough to make them change. Any ideas anyone?

I'm happy to pay the costs involved every few years in changing a few pages and adding them to a ring binder. Should be less than a tenner!?

That's without mentioning the waste of paper which is mildly outrageous.

Do we even need a hard copy these days anyway? Why can't they just provide an electronic version which is easily to download and update. If any dinosaurs needed a hard copy they could have it printed and bound for less than it costs to buy both books. Make it easier to find stuff in the damned thing anyway.

 

[ruston]

There is an E copy available but it is very expensive , surprise surprise.

 

[sparksburnout]

There is an E copy available but it is very expensive , surprise surprise.

Yeah well that say's it all eh? It's all about extracting max ££££ from us.

 

[ruston]

And I believe they had a lot of trouble with it from 16 to 17th. In fact it never got good reviews.

 

[ruston]

@sparksburnout
Wiring Regulations digital subscription: Bronze package - IET Electrical - http://electrical.------.org/wiring-regulations/digital/packages.cfm

Just for a look.

 

[Phil Thompson]

That's some rent per year.
The gold package is £433 all in. About £36 a month lol

 

[sparksburnout]

@sparksburnout
Wiring Regulations digital subscription: Bronze package - IET Electrical - http://electrical.------.org/wiring-regulations/digital/packages.cfm

Just for a look.

The bronze package it not too bad though, cheaper than the books. I wonder if the scams are OK with an E copy? Be OK if you just had to pay a minimal sum for updates. Ah, its a year though, could work out more expensive.

 

[Toneyz]

The bronze package it not too bad though, cheaper than the books. I wonder if the scams are OK with an E copy? Be OK if you just had to pay a minimal sum for updates. Ah, its a year though, could work out more expensive.

Yes I was caught out had to look twice when I saw a year.

 

[ruston]

Aye plus Vat and roughly ten years between regs, quite a hole in the pocket.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Was working with a chap who had an e copy of the Regs.
He couldn't accesse them without internet access, or when he had used up his data allowance.