18th on its way,hey hey

[cliffed]

looking at some of the draft papers out at the moment on 18th,am I right to assume we may be getting back to installing cabling correctly.
Bringing back galv conduit,metal trunking,will plastic conduit be obsolete to comply to 18th.

 

[cliffed]

Ha

I am just off to cut my wrists, it has been a pleasure.

ha ha,I’ve already have.....by..ee

 

[Andy78]

Yea ok,literally stopped installing conduit ages ok,weren’t specified,cheapest seemed to rule,wouldn’t it be great to go back to proper skilled installs,& now with these changes hopefully we will & get the right prices & the right installs,instead of seeing messy & rough works.

That would be nice yes. I'm glad I don't do large commercial work, some of the stuff I have seen about new installs is awful.

Oh, and for the record I've never installed PVC conduit on metal saddles...

 

[snowhead]

For every new problem a new solution is found.

Plastic conduit saddles would only need to have metallic reinforcement.

And I don't know what cloud you're on if you think Commercial customers are suddenly going to be paying a lot more for the right install.
They'll be expecting Compliant installations for old prices and they'll get it because someone will always quote lower.
The same as Carrillion did.

 

[cliffed]

For every new problem a new solution is found.

Plastic conduit saddles would only need to have metallic reinforcement.

And I don't know what cloud you're on if you think Commercial customers are suddenly going to be paying a lot more for the right install.
They'll be expecting Compliant installations for old prices and they'll get it because someone will always quote lower.
The same as Carrillion did.

Agree,but maybe they may have to,if they want the work to comply,be a bit like when introducing the rcbo’s,adding more cost than before

I am just off to cut my

 

[Deleted member 26818]

One of the problems in the commercial/industrial sector is the use of unskilled labour.
Was working on a Data Center at the end of last year, virtually all the containment had been installed by a joinery company.
Job I’m on now, whilst it was an electrical company which did the installation and wiring, only one of the installers was a qualified electrician, the rest ‘mates’ or ‘improvers’.
Then you have data, fire, security, etc. companies who all seem to think none of their wiring has to comply with BS7671.

 

[Tes369]

looking at some of the draft papers out at the moment on 18th,am I right to assume we may be getting back to installing cabling correctly.
Bringing back galv conduit,metal trunking,will plastic conduit be obsolete to comply to 18th.

I really don't understand what everyone is getting so excited about. Why are some people getting semi erect over the latest edition of the regs coming out...?

I won't be too happy to hand over ££££ just for another piece of paper saying I've done the latest BS7671.

Who cares

 

[Wilko]

I am just off to cut my wrists, it has been a pleasure.

No no no - no escape for you I'm afraid ... I do understand why they've done this for escape routes. But why put metal fixings onto vertical drops (say) ?

 

[westward10]

I don't care about the fixings, it is yet another thread on the 18th Ed.

 

[cliffed]

Agree,& we the brits are the only one,dishing out new regs,& supposedly complying to them,nobody else does,that applies to all over the world,& not just in electrics.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

looking at some of the draft papers out at the moment on 18th,am I right to assume we may be getting back to installing cabling correctly.
Bringing back galv conduit,metal trunking,will plastic conduit be obsolete to comply to 18th.

Draft or daft papers?

 

[cliffed]

I don't care about the fixings, it is yet another thread on the 18th Ed.[/QUOTE
Yes,& we all will be paying for books,courses & the know how

 

[cliffed]

Chuckling

Draft or daft papers?

away here,love it

 

[Simonslimline]

Most of installs now are fast fix,tray then cabling clipped to final position,using pvc t& e

What sort of installs?

certainly not on the sites i work on.

 

[Simonslimline]

Yea ok,literally stopped installing conduit ages ok,weren’t specified,cheapest seemed to rule,wouldn’t it be great to go back to proper skilled installs,& now with these changes hopefully we will & get the right prices & the right installs,instead of seeing messy & rough works.

All the jobs i work on these days are done in metallic conduit, trunking, tray, basket, ladder etc.

The only plastic is normally the DADO trunking.

Not T&E in sight.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

What sort of installs?

certainly not on the sites i work on.

I worked on an extension to a hotel at Paddington Station a few years back.
Primary containment down the corridor, containment branching off into two of the suites, which then became fix cables to ceiling with all round band to branch off into the suites.