2 spurs from a Junction Box....worried?

[mikep83]

Hi folks.

I cut one of the cables on my ring circuit, attached the 2 now separate ends to a new 30a junction box, and then run 2 additional spurs from the same junction box, using 32a twin and earth, on the end of each of these new spurs is a twin plug socket with usb.

I did the work with my father in law, who’s an avid DIYer and has been doing diy for 60 years.

We did a really good job, cables cut nice, neat, secure, tested them, and all working.

Due to a rush to get the job done before decorators, I pre installed the new sockets and cabling, ready for the junction, and only then did I realise I should have extended the ring.....it was too late, I had sealed the walls up and could not get another cable in. We used a square 30a MK box, which had ample room for the cables.

These are bedside outlets, not for heavy consuming items.

Some forums and people have now put the fear of god in me that this is dangerous, however I have read mixed opinions (e.g. apparatly 1 spur from any point is the Reg, ok.....so I have 2 on mine, but is this really much different than if I added another junction 10 inches away for my second spur)

Is this really a concern to warrant me ripping it all back out?

It’s a good tidy job.
I know there’s regulations and partP......hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Views?
Many thanks.

 

[Pete999]

My App15 shows it as being fineView attachment 45061

Seems as though if you have the wherewithal to alter drawings you can make yourself look clever. But why spoil a serious debate with cheap shots? not like you Westy.

 

[Octopus]

But regardless, fundamentally (as I've stated so many times I've lost count) I agree... it's not good practice

And as I have stated on many occasions, if the muppets who write the regs actually took notice of these “debates” they would remove any ambiguity in the regs rather than listening to manufacturers and adding unnecesssary products ...

 

[mikep83]

I’m not moving, plus, I think I’m going to rectify when we’re sick of the wallpaper we’re about to put up in 2 yrs!

 

[GMES]

Oi! You deleted my comment..

You're Lucky he didn't delete you for the comment

 

['mr2'gd4u]

I deleted your comment and the associated ones because even though there was no malice to it it was inappropriate for a public forum.

I know, I'm yanking the chain a bit is all.

 

[westward10]

Seems as though if you have the wherewithal to alter drawings you can make yourself look clever. But why spoil a serious debate with cheap shots? not like you Westy.

Come Pete just trying to lighten the mood a bit, did you have to give it a second look

 

[Pete999]

Seems as though if you have the wherewithal

The whole bs 7671 could be speculation. For all we know we might not even really exist...

You been watching to much Star Trek Mate

Come Pete just trying to lighten the mood a bit, did you have to give it a second look

If that's all it was OK

 

[markc123]

OP. Basically fella, you’ve opened a can of worms.

After reading this, and seeing SparkyChick taking on the forum. My opinion is: What you’ve done is bad practice and I would never ever do it like this, and I’ve always been taught that this is wrong. But - hey, it doesn’t appear to be against regs when you scratch beneath the surface.

Talk about a grey area.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

OK, there clearly isn't a definitive answer here and it's been debated to the point of extinction, we'll just have to fall into two camps and agree to disagree. Beer o'clock and apologies for perhaps unfair posts regarding DIYers.

 

[johnduffell]

The OP isn’t a spark .......

My comment was tongue in cheek! however it's true you don't need to be a spark to fill in a valid eic correctly!

 

[Toneyz]

To sum it up we all think it is bad practice but not directly against the regs.

 

[Pete999]

To sum it up we all think it is bad practice but not directly against the regs.

No I don't I think it's against the Regs

 

[gazdkw82]

I've searched and I can't find any reg that proves this againt regulation, thats not to say it doesn't exist.

Personally in this situation and working with what you have, overloading would be my main concern. You could always fuse each of the sockets to a more suitably reduced fuse and/or label the sockets for specific use only.

 

[Midwest]

Arrgh ain't it nice we are all friends again. The worlds a better place. Get rid of Trump and seal the Brexit deal, and we can all breath again.

 

[Bellendian]

This is almost as good as getting a phone call from a spark who was spitting feathers about the fact that I'd put a 2.5mm radial on a 32a mcb and made it '2 circuits' when all I'd done is take a spur from the MCB!
Think about the Physics for a second...would a 2nd jb and a few inches of cable materially alter the way the circuit operates? No...so why do it?