2230 does it mean im 17 eddition

[lofty84]

Im not sure if anyone is going to know the answer to this question but hopefully someone will. Haveing recently completed my 2230 I thought I was trained to 17th eddition so pressumed I could claim that I have my 17th eddition certificate as I have been trained to these regulations. Ive just signed up to a 17th edition update course at my college whicinvolves two thurday 3 hour classes and a exam on the 3rd thursday. The thing is my electrical mates say that I dont need to do this as I am 17th edition trained and it is for those guys who are trained sparks but to say 16th edition and just need to get themselves upto 17. the lecturer says I cant claim to have my 17th edition qualification untill I do this course. Ussually its a ten week course but as Ive done the 2330 I can take the update. Can anyone tell me whos right. Some jobs ask for 17th edition fire alarm insitaltions for example.

 

[Risteard]

I agree with spinlondon. My JIB card listed "IEE Wiring Regulations, 16th Edition" despite me never having taken the specific 2381 certificate. If the person has undertaken the 2330 under the 17th Edition then there is no merit in taking the 2382 unless someone is specifically asking for it.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Actually, you only have to take the exam. There is no requirement to undertake a short revision session(update) or long revision (full course). There is no difference in the qualification gained. if you want to revise in your own time then book an exam ( e few quid) then you will have exactly the same qualification as someone who has paid hundreds and spent weeks at college.

I did my revision online with the NICEIC at virtual college, then when I had completed all units, went along to a local centre and took the exam. Result 59/60.

I will say though, with only 2 minutes per question, you had better know some answers off the top of your head, as you won't have the time to look them all up and will need the time gained from the ones you 'know' on the ones you'll have to look up.

Studying the 2330 recently will give you an advantage, but it doesn't give you the qualification.

Good luck.

 

[lofty84]

any tips on how to label up my red book.

I dont suppose anyone knows what I should be knowing of the top of my head as has been said 2 mins a question is not alot of time and I could do with gaining some time on some of the questions to use on others.

Can anyone give some examples of when they have been on a job and have had to refer to the book, I dont see how you can know when to use the book when u r doing a job. surely everyone must be guilty of not useing the book beacause they thought they didnt need to when further down the line the realised what they did was wrong and they should have used the book

 

[waco007]

Entry requirements for 2382-20 ie the upgrade version exam is either previous 16th or a completed 2330 (pre nvq is fine). So while you have been trained to 17th standards, you will indeed need to pass the 17th 2382-20 to hold the qualification. However it's really only testing your ability to read the question and find the answer in a reasonable amount of time (2 mins) a question, so I cannot emphasize strongly enough to continue using it even long after you achieve the qualification. Hope this helps.

 

[lofty84]

I really want to use after the exam (all being well that I pass it ofcourse) so that over time I become a walking talking regs book, the problem I have is how do u know when to use it most compsnied ive worked forare all about haveing the work done yesterday... Is the 17th mainly for those who are self employed as I find that with companies they will have designed the new instillation in accordance with regs, so u just follow the spec.



How many hours will I need to put in to pass this exam bearing in mind I have not once used the regs book, even though the 2330 was a 3 year course.


Im going to be tabbing my book up, any tips of what to tab or is it a personal thing. I just want to save as much time as I can so im thinking tabbling the individual chapters and area within these chapeters is a good start but not sure

 

[waco007]

For labelling I would suggest using plastic tags and marking up the top of your book with chapter no app no. The bottom of yourbook with the glossary per page ie ab - be(for example). Dont use any whole words and no sticky notes whatsoever, also do not fill anything in the notes section nor stick in any other sheets in your book and the invigilators shouldn't have a problem with that. As for learning for it, first focus on the definition's (part 2) then learn the contents pages and familiarize yourself with the layout . Read and learn the scope of the reg's. Now you ate ready to begin preparing for your exam. I would allow about 80 study hours total and the last 10-20 study hours - spend completing past papers. (This is all assuming you have either been provided study notes or have a book on 17th edition notes . While not strictly necessary, will help focus your learning.

 

[lofty84]

im guessing i need to go to a stationary shop for the plastic tags

The bottom of yourbook with the glossary per page ie ab - be(for example) I dont understand this

 

[ackbarthestar]

Just out of interest.

It was taboo to stick anything in your regs book, besides page markers, in the past. Then this was relaxed since it was unlikely that you would be able to write the answers to all of the pertinent questions on the day, besides, it would be unlikely to write down anything that you didn't already know the answer to.

The BRB has several pages for notes, I gathered that those would have been to write down your interpretation of what was written, unless it was for your grocery lists while thinking of the answers!

The BGB does not include these notes pages which suggests that the previous relaxation has been withdrawn.

The good news is that at £40 to £60 a pop for the exam only, if you fail it the first time you can reenter straight after you receive your results and resit within, usually a couple of weeks.

 

[fuzzydunlop]

I wouldn't bother labelling it up, everything is in the index + plus you'll end up with a huge mess of tabs

The first 20 odd questions you should know the answer to without even consulting the book, leaving you more time for the trickier questions, plus the exam follows a set format i.e 4 questions in section 1, 6 in section 2 etc etc..(it's on the city and guilds website under 2382-10 in the pdf doc) so you'll know what section you should be in for the answer

*edit* the book has to be unblemished from writing, if the invigilator see's writing in it they're supposed to give you a clean version

As for how long to revise its more about knowing whats in each section and correctly interpreting the question, due to a couple of family crisis's my revision was lacking to say the least and i still passed with 93%

 

[lofty84]

80 hrs thst understandable so far ive had a 2 hr lecture and will have another 2 hr one soon before the exam. looks like im gonna have to do a few hrs each night if not more


ive pretty much done all the papers ive been given and feel like im getting the hang of things

can anyone come up with some questions that i can find an answer to for u. hopefully this might help if anyones willing to ask me things

 

[lofty84]

think mines broken down like this

section 1 - 2 questions (scope, object + fundemental priceipals)

section 2 - 2 questions (definitions)

section 3 - 1 question (Assesment of general characterisitcs)

section 4 - 8 questions (protection for safety)

section 5 - 6 questions (Selection + errection)

section 6 - 2 questions (Inspecting and Testing)

section 7 - 7 questions (Special Instillations)

section 8 - 2 questions (use of appendicies)


If anyone wants to give me some questions it would be very helpfull

 

[fuzzydunlop]

You should be doing the 60 question course, I'm in the same position as you (doing 2330) and had to do the 60 question course

PM me your email ad and i'll send you some past papers and handouts

 

[clicon357]

80 hrs thst understandable so far ive had a 2 hr lecture and will have another 2 hr one soon before the exam. looks like im gonna have to do a few hrs each night if not more


ive pretty much done all the papers ive been given and feel like im getting the hang of things

can anyone come up with some questions that i can find an answer to for u. hopefully this might help if anyones willing to ask me things

PM me your email and I'll send you a bunch of PDF questions I revised from.

 

[NrVolts]

If you have done your level 3 tech cert 2330 you only need to do the update (2382-20), according to city and guilds.
http://www.cityandguilds.com/documents/ind_construction_electrical/2382-20-l3-hb-v1.2.pdf scroll down to entry requirements. Hope this helps.

Next year at some point i believe they will roll out the new 2382-12 with includes amendment 1 which is a full exam. This doesnt mean the 2382-20 is invalid however.

ive lost the thread i started...dunno whats going on now. nr volts