2391 is changing.

[SirKit Breaker]

Got a memo from City and Guilds today at work. The 2391 is changing and getting new numbers, not had chance to read the full thing yet, but will have a copy on Monday, so i will give further info in due course.

Cheers...........Howard

 

[mogga]

cheers for the heads up as I was going to take 2391 at start of the year

 

[Guest123]

2394 & 2395 are what I've heard, broken up into initial verification & condition reporting.

Obviously the existing is too hard.:icon10:

 

[netblindpaul]

2392 will become 2394 - Initial verification, the watered down I&T course only covering new work, I can't describe it any more else I'll get in trouble!
2391-10 (the old 2391) will become 2395, the full I&T & PIR course as was & is.
2391-20 (the old 2400) will become 2396, the design course as in the old 2400, which will be a level 4 course.
No credit transfer between the qualifications will be allowed.
So if you have done your 2391-10 & want the 2392-20 you will still at the moment and for a little while be able to complete the 3 parts of the qualification.
That is the practical, the 2391-10 exam & the 2391-20 exam to get the full certificate.
If you have any elements of 2391 these will not be transferable to the new qualifications.

 

[fuzzydunlop]

2392 will become 2394 - Initial verification, the watered down I&T course only covering new work, I can't describe it any more else I'll get in trouble!
2391-10 (the old 2391) will become 2395, the full I&T & PIR course as was & is.
2391-20 (the old 2400) will become 2396, the design course as in the old 2400, which will be a level 4 course.
No credit transfer between the qualifications will be allowed.
So if you have done your 2391-10 & want the 2392-20 you will still at the moment and for a little while be able to complete the 3 parts of the qualification.
That is the practical, the 2391-10 exam & the 2391-20 exam to get the full certificate.
If you have any elements of 2391 these will not be transferable to the new qualifications.

From what I've read previously it would be beneficial for me to take the 2391-10 & 20 before the changes kick in (i can pay now take later)

Would that be all i would need to take course wise at that "level" or is there one i'm missing to complete the set?

 

[netblindpaul]

2391-10 & -20 are the "set" at level 3.
However, 2395 is a level 3 course & 2396 is a level 4 course.

If I did not have them and could wait I would wait until the new courses come out.

Just MHO.

 

[fuzzydunlop]

2391-10 & -20 are the "set" at level 3.
However, 2395 is a level 3 course & 2396 is a level 4 course.

If I did not have them and could wait I would wait until the new courses come out.

Just MHO.

It would be better to wait (gain more site experience etc) but seeing as I'm coming into to the trade "late" I'd rather not have another thing against me that shows this, yes I know the courses are the same(ish) but in the real world I'm sure it would be viewed in a more favourable way to have the 2391 (for me anyway)

I'm realistic enough to know I can't (nor will I) inflict my newly acquired skills on the general public for at least a year after fully qualifying (working by myself), so will probably bite the bullet and pay now for 2391-10 & 20 (i think you've got till next April to take them)

 

[netblindpaul]

2391-20 is not an easy course, it has a 40 (ish) hour design project attached in case you did not know.

 

[Silly Sausage]

2391-20 is not an easy course, it has a 40 (ish) hour design project attached in case you did not know.

It is for the ones who want to do it, the word motivation springs to mind and that's half the battle won. If your going for it after 2391 it says you're keen, the project is something you what to do well at for own personal satisfaction at least.

 

[netblindpaul]

Archy,
I did not find the 2391-20 difficult, but, I was paying myself and doing it evenings in my own time.
I found the maths easy as it was much more basic than the engineering degree level stuff I was used to.
However, even though we had a very good tutor, there was at least a 50% drop out/failure rate.
Almost all of these were experienced sparks, those who got through, you are correct, were the ones who were keen and applied themselves, came to the lectures and asked questions.
The feedback I have heard from the "industry" is that it is not considered easy by practising sparks, as there is very little practical work in the course, it is all book work, calculations, design, research, drawings etc.
That is unless you don't have 2391-10, in which case you also have to do the I&T practical.

 

[ian.settle1]

2392 will become 2394 - Initial verification, the watered down I&T course only covering new work, I can't describe it any more else I'll get in trouble!
2391-10 (the old 2391) will become 2395, the full I&T & PIR course as was & is.
2391-20 (the old 2400) will become 2396, the design course as in the old 2400, which will be a level 4 course.
No credit transfer between the qualifications will be allowed.
So if you have done your 2391-10 & want the 2392-20 you will still at the moment and for a little while be able to complete the 3 parts of the qualification.
That is the practical, the 2391-10 exam & the 2391-20 exam to get the full certificate.
If you have any elements of 2391 these will not be transferable to the new qualifications.

Different to what I have read the old 2391-10 is being split into 2 parts 2394 and 2395. 2394 is verification and inspection. 2395 is the testing part. Both will be Level 3 qualifications.

They have not decided what to do with 2392 which is a level 2 qualification

The 2391-20 (Formally 2400) is becoming 2396 and will be a level 4 qualification

 

[netblindpaul]

Ian,
I'll check Tuesday when I am at the centre.

 

[fuzzydunlop]

I've just spoken to City & Guilds and they're saying they have no such course as 2395/6 in their catalogue at the moment?? The only change that is imminent is the 2382

Asked if they do change the course would the qualifications be transferable and they replied they have no plans for anything re 2391 at the moment

Not much help, so i think i'm going to bite the bullet and book both and take them next year

 

[netblindpaul]

fuzzy,
The course HAS to change as the PIR is no more as of 1/1/12, thus the 2391 cannot carry on teaching PIR's, it has to start teaching EICR's. so something has to change.
I have spoken to 3 course providers in the last few weeks and will check again tomorrow, however, you are correct as is the person you spoke to at C&G that the 2395/6 do not yet exist.
However as I say as of the 1/1/12 the PIR is gone, so the course providers will have to teach a new version of something.
The information I have posted is that which has been given to me during my discussions, which was that given to the course providers.
Remember they have to develop their training materials to deliver these courses for C&G and that does not happen overnight.
It also does not surprise me that the person at C&G did not know about the changes, I would not expect everyone within the organisation to know.
Also, there may have already been changes to the info I was given, as it is about 2 weeks old now!

 

[fuzzydunlop]

Sorry was in a rush this morning I should have added that the C&G said that they could apply to complix? (or something sounding like that) to extend the course beyond 1/1/12