2391 is it really fair?

[chelwood]

Could i have a copy of the exam please

 

[kellogs64]

can i have a copy please

 

[robsparky1975]

The 2391 was intended to be difficult,to make sure that whoever passed and practised inspection & testing was competent to do so and i hope that they do not dull down this qual with multi choice papers,its better for all that hold this that it remains that way,as for being on par with the 2377 thats just laughable,if there was a level 4 or 5 ots where it should be.

 

[gesl]

I've recently done the 2395 (havent got the results yet) and like everyone else spent ages doing old 2391 papers getting miserable about the terminologly having to be spot on and trying to decipher cryptic questions. I've attended countless training sessions and sat plenty of exams but I'm sure that this exam is the only one that is'nt a stamped on pass before you sit it. As hard as it is, the standard has to be maintained, pass or fail.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

It has to be difficult. Once you have passed it, you will be giving your expert opinion of the overall condition of an installation, as well as giving unbiased accurate information for the rectification and / or improvements to an installation if it needs work carrying out. If you don't have a full understanding (to expert level) of Inspection and Test, how can you be expected to make informed decisions and recommendations.

Cheers.............Howard

 

[Guest55]

It has to be difficult. Once you have passed it, you will be giving your expert opinion of the overall condition of an installation, as well as giving unbiased accurate information for the rectification and / or improvements to an installation if it needs work carrying out. If you don't have a full understanding (to expert level) of Inspection and Test, how can you be expected to make informed decisions and recommendations.

Cheers.............Howard

Agreed , yet unfortunatley even Electrical Trainee are being groomed to pass the exams with little or no experience , as shown by the thread on the training section under the heading of " my route to being a qualified spark" or something similar.
It should be made compulsary to have 5 years experience before being allowed to do the 2391 in my opinion.

 

[Guest55]

And as the holder of the 2391 cert done way back in '97 , i'm secretly glad its being replaced by the 2394 / 5 as it means the accomplishment of passing the 2391 cant be watered or dumbed down to meet todays expectations of the everyone must pass outlook to education.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Wept when my pass cert came through the post.

Not kidding!

 

[Guest55]

Wept when my pass cert came through the post.

Not kidding!

I know ! lol
it was a moment matched only by getting m jib gold card.

 

[needasparks]

Agreed , yet unfortunatley even Electrical Trainee are being groomed to pass the exams with little or no experience , as shown by the thread on the training section under the heading of " my route to being a qualified spark" or something similar.
It should be made compulsary to have 5 years experience before being allowed to do the 2391 in my opinion.

Agree, they say its not watered down but it seems as easy to get as an asbo now, everyone has one and as you say even people that have not done any form of correct formal training so jury is out on how expert people will be on doing an electrical inspection.
IMO 2391 is much like the olympic ticket, everybody wants one and if you pay enough you have one.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

i phoned up to get my result, i sat in dumb silence trying to take it in when they said PASS! When the cert arrived, i sat staring at it for ages to make sure it was mine.

 

[Guest55]

Agree, they say its not watered down but it seems as easy to get as an asbo now, everyone has one and as you say even people that have not done any form of correct formal training so jury is out on how expert people will be on doing an electrical inspection.
IMO 2391 is much like the olympic ticket, everybody wants one and if you pay enough you have one.

And i've got a suspision as to why that is ;
it seems to me that these training centres spend most of the 2391 course going over past papers rather than actually teaching testing principles , which is why people with little / no experience can pass.
Yet how would they fare if they were asked to do a PIR on a 3 storey hotel with 40 year old wiring with no circuits labelled ? ;-)

 

[DaveyD]

And i've got a suspision as to why that is ;
it seems to me that these training centres spend most of the 2391 course going over past papers rather than actually teaching testing principles , which is why people with little / no experience can pass.
Yet how would they fare if they were asked to do a PIR on a 3 storey hotel with 40 year old wiring with no circuits labelled ? ;-)

Collage is the same as - don't kid yourself. I spent three days doing old papers

 

[Guest55]

i phoned up to get my result, i sat in dumb silence trying to take it in when they said PASS! When the cert arrived, i sat staring at it for ages to make sure it was mine.

I didnt know if i'd passed till the results came through the post , made the moment all the sweeter lol.

 

[Guest55]

Collage is the same as - don't kid yourself. I spent three days doing old papers

My 2391 tutor spent half a day on past papers , the other 4 and half were spend learning.
Clearly bums on seats and revenue is the name of the game sadly