2391 is it really fair?

[thekingiam]

i went over all past papers myself again and again i recon about 90 percent of the stuff didn't come up why it is so difficult is because they can ask you anything in reason and you either have done your homework or know it already i did mine in 2007 just after doing 2360 so that helped with things still fresh in my mind.i hope they haven't dumbed down this exam as i know alot of sparks that couldn't pass it or wont attempt it, i like to drop the fact in when they start showing off there jib cards and mine says trainee then i show i got 2391 on the card and ask where does theres say it.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

Guys apologies for delay - got paper here, just been super busy.

I will upload it in the morning

:yes:

edit..

okay I tried to upload it but after all the compressions I still couldn't get the pdf below the 2MB limit.

So preferring not to upload 15 or so images of each page, here is a link to it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v48czdqipvpeyv8/2391_July_2012.pdf

 

[malcolmsanford]

Thanks widdler top man that whiled away some of the morning over here. To be honest I think that anyone who got that paper would be quite pleased.

I did like question 15 on how you would test live on an earth electrode it would have fooled me into explaining how to do the test with an proper earth elctrode tester, but putting the 500mA RCD made me re read the question again and see the live part.

Paper B was pretty straight forward to be honest. Question 22 the only one that required calculations, and parts B + C would be questions that often appeared in the first section, so that was disappointing, I would like to see more calc questions.

There was also 3 questions on testing sequence I see which I think is a lot to be honest and of course the yearly diagram so all in all I personally don't think it was the hardest of papers.

Sirkit and you are really at the sharp end of this in regards training, and seeing this paper I'm starting to feel that perhaps there is now a good chance for an in-experienced person being "taught" to pass this rather that what I think it should be aimed at and that is someone that as experience in testing and inspection who would require this exam to prove competency.

Do you think that perhaps the industry should be pushing the design and verification course more to employers. I always felt that it was so under valued in that 40% of it was the actual 2391-10(2395) that also included the practical part

I wonder now that the C&G have made it a level 4 qualification if this will be the course to have to "set you aside" from the other, the same as the 2391-10 use to?

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Malcolm, "used to",? Still does, always will...?

 

[Sparky Ninja]

Sirkit and you are really at the sharp end of this in regards training, and seeing this paper I'm starting to feel that perhaps there is now a good chance for an in-experienced person being "taught" to pass this rather that what I think it should be aimed at and that is someone that as experience in testing and inspection who would require this exam to prove competency.

I've been teaching this course a while now, and every time I open up the most recent paper I shake my head harder in frustration. My only hope is that C&G are simplifying it to get rid of the back log of 2391 resits so they can stop writing these papers.
Saying that the 2395 paper didn't seem much harder IMO.

It is a shame.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Sparty I have yet to see a job advertised asking for the design and verification qualification, almost all employers ask for the 2391-10 as sign of competence.

I often wonder if it is because of lack of understanding on what the D & V course gives you. I hope I'm not going to be joining the "dumbing" down brigade of the 2391-10/2395 but the paper Widdler posted is certainly not the hardest of ones I have seen, but there again the lads doing that exam may have been the lucky ones, the next might be a stonker

 

[malcolmsanford]

I've been teaching this course a while now, and every time I open up the most recent paper I shake my head harder in frustration. My only hope is that C&G are simplifying it to get rid of the back log of 2391 resits so they can stop writing these papers.
Saying that the 2395 paper didn't seem much harder IMO.

It is a shame.

Thanks mate, I can't give you a like as what you wrote is really alarming IMO.

 

[Jonnyw99lch]

I took the 2391 exam 14 June 2012 and still waiting for results. Does anyone know when I might receive my results. The exam wasn't too bad it's all about how much you put in as to what you want out of it

 

[timbobelfast]

It will be interesting to see what the pass rates for the last few exams have been.

Feb's pass rate was 45%!

 

[SPARTYKUS]

45%. thats high. 29% when I did it

 

[thekingiam]

paper looks easier than i was expecting not that i could answer all correctly.
employers may have to check what year someone did there exam and how difficult it was then.
i was hoping for a challenge, a reason to get the books out looks like i will be playing cod today.

 

[thekingiam]

why 3 points on question 16 can only think of parellel earth paths? maybe accuracy of meter, mahbe soil conditions on tt?

 

[thekingiam]

maybe i will have a look at the rest of it.

 

[DaveyD]

But did you not feel that some past papers are easier than others? The c&g revision book has simple questions in it, it's not as easy as that.
I think it's a memory test IMO. How will tease o training help you remember hasawa1974 or the eawr1989 or when accoding to law you are a duty holder or a competent person. If I forget my ip's I grab my OSG.

 

[Robertbaker63]

very easy paper, i took mine when i was 18 in my first year of the apprentiship back in 2001, i didn't really know what the 2391 was back then or what i was doing but my firm put me in for it and i passed it with no problems first time. i don't know why the pass rate is so low?