NICEIC Certification Scheme 2391 V NICEIC - Whats the point in 2391??

[Sparky10]

One example of the point of the 2391 is that when big Electrical companies look to take on electricians to carry out inspection and testing on large projects, commercial/industrial they tend to only employ sparks with it.

I've just been on a large industrial warehouse carrying out a periodic and it was 2391, 17th edition JIB Approved Gold card holders only.

You are right as only my job only approved 2391 testers can test (fully understand why) but it seems silly how this guy would need to be assessed again if he wanted to be part of the NIC...

 

[Andy78]

You are right as only my job only approved 2391 testers can test (fully understand why) but it seems silly how this guy would need to be assessed again if he wanted to be part of the NIC...

Scheme assessment is nothing like qualification assessment, it's a world away in terms of thoroughness and detail.

 

[Sparky10]

One example of the point of the 2391 is that when big Electrical companies look to take on electricians to carry out inspection and testing on large projects, commercial/industrial they tend to only employ sparks with it.

I've just been on a large industrial warehouse carrying out a periodic and it was 2391, 17th edition JIB Approved Gold card holders only.

You are right as only my job only approved 2391 testers can test (fully understand why) but it seems silly how this guy would need to be assessed again if he wanted to be part of the NIC...

You CAN issue a certificate for your work with or without testing and inspection quals, and with or without scheme membership. Like I said it's notifying work that is made easier with scheme membership.

As i am not part of any scheme i have been told if i issue a certificate i then have to pay Building control a massive about to come out and sign it off. (dont know how true this is)

 

[Sparky10]

Scheme assessment is nothing like qualification assessment, it's a world away in terms of thoroughness and detail.

I 100% agree mate, Personally i think you should need your 2391 in order to be part of these schemes. Shocking how people with less qualifications and experience can Sign off notifiable work, They don't even need to be fully qualified again the "competence" work comes into effect

 

[Anthony S]

I 100% agree mate, Personally i think you should need your 2391 in order to be part of these schemes. Shocking how people with less qualifications and experience can Sign off notifiable work, They don't even need to be fully qualified again the "competence" work comes into effect

Keep away from domestic installers and you won't have worry about it lol

 

[Andy78]

As i am not part of any scheme i have been told if i issue a certificate i then have to pay Building control a massive about to come out and sign it off. (dont know how true this is)

Certification required by BS7671 and notification are different and quite separate things. Yes if not in a scheme then you need to contact building control and pay a fee. Not all work is notifiable though.

I 100% agree mate, Personally i think you should need your 2391 in order to be part of these schemes. Shocking how people with less qualifications and experience can Sign off notifiable work, They don't even need to be fully qualified again the "competence" work comes into effect

This is only in line with legal requirements with having to be competent to be able to test and inspect electrical work. You'll probably find that the schemes will require testing quals if you want them to vouch for your periodic inspection work, or for full scope membership.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

in lieu of the 2391 the niceic/elecsa offer there own online knowledge assessment that supposedly covers the same sort of questions you get in the 2391 exams. if you apply to join without the 2391 they get you to do this to cover the level 3 requirements,its open book with your books at home on the laptop. a mate did it when they first started offering it, he joined elecsa but its offered to both schemes. from what I know its not too difficult. thing is city and guilds have a sort of monopoly and there is nothing illegal in nic offering there own courses via another company if the content is deemed to be equivalent in knowledge and skill requirements. free market rules and all that. thats why you have eal courses and city and guilds etc...
If you have been on another scheme for 2 years+ then you need nothing elese to join other than your 17th and insurance to get in.

 

[Dillb]

You won't be able to help yourself, it's in your blood lol

Whose gonna be first me or you?

 

[Pete999]

Your 2391 will prove competence, while the NICEIC will.......no better not dont want to be banned this early into my return.

The NICEIC what Dillb? no one will ban you honest

 

[Dillb]

I will hold off for a while, before I decide to unleash on how there just a nasty tax on our industry.

 

[Pete999]

Whose gonna be first me or you?

Ive been a regular Dillb wheras you are just back so I guess it's down to you Mate, go on you know you want to, spit it out Mate, it wil stick in your throat other wise, I have often said the scams are a waste, and should be reorganised into something worth paying for.

 

[Pete999]

I will hold off for a while, before I decide to unleash on how there just a nasty tax on our industry.

Well they are aren't they as are all the others, come on Dillb man up

 

[Dillb]

Ive been a regular Dillb wheras you are just back so I guess it's down to you Mate, go on you know you want to, spit it out Mate, it wil stick in your throat other wise, I have often said the scams are a waste, and should be reorganised into something worth paying for.

It’s all old stuff that has been done to death in the past on here, it’s time we stood up to these scams and actually made the proactive. Just briefly looking over the forum it’s NIC this NIC that, we don’t worm to there standards we work to the current Regs yet you would think of it weren’t for these scamming folks we wouldn’t have a industry.

I won’t go on but you get the jist of it.

 

[Dillb]

in lieu of the 2391 the niceic/elecsa offer there own online knowledge assessment that supposedly covers the same sort of questions you get in the 2391 exams. if you apply to join without the 2391 they get you to do this to cover the level 3 requirements,its open book with your books at home on the laptop. a mate did it when they first started offering it, he joined elecsa but its offered to both schemes. from what I know its not too difficult. thing is city and guilds have a sort of monopoly and there is nothing illegal in nic offering there own courses via another company if the content is deemed to be equivalent in knowledge and skill requirements. free market rules and all that. thats why you have eal courses and city and guilds etc...
If you have been on another scheme for 2 years+ then you need nothing elese to join other than your 17th and insurance to get in.

The thing is the City and Guilds version was renown for being difficult and having a low pass rate meaning you had to work hard to get it. I can’t speak for the new version or the old 2394/5, but they must of had some difficulty in passing them. Now it seems to be getting easier with a open book exam wether it because they are being pressured by the scams or because people genuinely were struggling under the older exams due to the saturation by the so called training companies.

 

[Pete999]

The thing is the City and Guilds version was renown for being difficult and having a low pass rate meaning you had to work hard to get it. I can’t speak for the new version or the old 2394/5, but they must of had some difficulty in passing them. Now it seems to be getting easier with a open book exam wether it because they are being pressured by the scams or because people genuinely were struggling under the older exams due to the saturation by the so called training companies.

Think I have found a Soul Mate Dillb, a man after my own heart, get the impression it was scams that pressed for the dumb down, I did the 2391 when it first came to fruition, and it wasn't easy, it was bloody difficult, not many passed on my course, your points are spot on imo.