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[pcam1984]

Do any of you know if the 2391 course is available anywhere. I know its been replaced with the 2395 but i've geard that its a dumbed down version. Most companies are still advertising for 2391.

 

[pcam1984]

Thanks guys thats is waht i was thinking. Was booked in the 2391 a couple of years ago but had to cancel last minute and never got round to booking it again #idiot! I suppose i'll have to do the 2395. Are both the 2394 and the 2395 reqd or does the 2395 a better qualification?

 

[pcam1984]

Spelling and general putting together sentences don't seem to be happening for me tonight!!!

 

[Badged01]

Spelling and general putting together sentences don't seem to be happening for me tonight!!!

Ideal candidate for the 'new' exams then! If you couldn't spell on your 2400/2391 correctly using your feather pen and ink then that was marks deducted. And if you couldn't get the sums correct to 5 decimals using your slide rule (or pencil and paper if you weren't posh!) then you lost the whole marks for the question.

The new touch-feely, we understand roughly what you mean style of teaching and examination today should suit you :aureola:

 

[MisterE]

Are both the 2394 and the 2395 reqd or does the 2395 a better qualification?

2394 is Initial Verification & Certification
2395 is Periodic Inspection, Testing & Certification

 

[ifindoubtdont]

When I sat my 2391 it was a 2.5 hr written exam. Not open book, you had to be able to recite GN3 in your sleep and understand what it meant. The exam was made of set questions and a scenario. I didn't pass first time, I knew it was going to be close, everything I had written was right, I just hadn't written enough. In the scenario, a lot of the set questions were involved and if you didn't understand the context of the set question in the scenario, you lost any marks you had gained on the set question even if it was correct. If they mark the 2394 and 2395 the same way then maybe the only benefit is you wouldn't have to re-sit both if you didn't pass one of them, not like with the 2391 when you re-sat the lot.

 

[iamelectric]

download an old 2391 past paper and try it then do the same with 2394 & 2395 papers , then decide if its watered down , b4 doing mine i downloaded loads of 2391 papers some where easier some where harder its just your luck , all the old timers just dont like change so they moan about it being easier

 

[Badged01]

download an old 2391 past paper and try it then do the same with 2394 & 2395 papers

Thats what I did, instead of trying to know everything for one paper (2391) I just brushed up on the bits required for either the initial insp paper (2394) or the periodic insp paper (2395). I found it so much more easier because you only had to remember half of what you would have needed for the one paper (2391). Questions a bit more length (2394/95) but the subject matter still the same ..... you either know your eggs or you dont, but itmade it a lot easier only having to remember one lot at a time

 

[Badged01]

Guess it must just be me being an old timer and used to a different way of doing exams. Know the theory and know the practical before taking the exam .......

 

[RyanHunter]

Do you ever think that you find the test papers for the 2394/5 easier because you are out doing this stuff on a daily basis and have been for a long time? This is your routine and flows in your blood.

Taking an exam is completely different to flicking through a past paper and guessing that the answer you have in your head is correct, however what the examiner has as the answer may be different.

Anyone taking the exam will most likely not have been doing this work to the regs over the past 10-20 years.

The only people that will know how hard/easy it is would be someone who took the 2391 and then the next day took the 2394 & 5.

I may be wrong, just my option.

But if one of you 2391 guys want to brave the 2394/5 and let us know if you pass it could be a good experiment

 

[Badged01]

I seriously considered it and went along to my local college to see if it would be of any value and challenge me further in my knowledge/eductaion. After talking with the lecturer/tutor I realised it wasn't going to be anywhere as difficult as the old course/exam so declined signing-up. Having looked at some of the papers also confirmed in my mind how much more simpler it is only having to take 1/2 an exam at a time.

But like I say for you 'new' guys without the experience and knowledge the "old sweats" have (and I dont include myself as knowledgable as the old sweats) I can understand how the C&G's needed to make the course/exams easier so everyone can pass and be a winner!

 

[RyanHunter]

Not sure about "everyone's a winner", a lot of people on the course with me had failed the practical & multiple choice parts (most likely the written as well, but not spoke since). The people who failed have been apprentices for many years and their day to day job was commercial & domestic electrics.

Maybe C&G have had to make it easier so that all the cowboys out their have no excuse, plus it means that you have the qualification to join NICEIC/NAPIT and therefore building control are aware of who has had work done etc...

 

[Badged01]

Atleast you've passed it I only jest young one, Im sure its still challenging and taxing. As you get older and longer in the tooth things just seem to be easier but they probably aren't!

 

[RyanHunter]

I found it challenging, but I am just not academic. It could be that it is easier (considering it is now 2 exams rather than 1), I will just never know.

 

[Guest55]

the reason the pass rate for 2391 was so low , and not that much higher for the 2395 , is that candidates are simply not ready to take the course !
inspection is a skill that takes alot of time to master & understand before you contemplate doing any testing exam , new or old.
i had around 2 years testing experience out on my own before doing the 2391 and it was still very tough.

and alot of training centres simply groom students for an exam with re-cycled past papers without actually assessing their experience beforehand and simply saying no , youre not ready for it.

some training centres offer testing courses as a bundle deal with your other C&G 23 whatever , to be done straight after you initial introduction to electrics ???
sorry but where the hell does the experience come from ??

i'm glad the 2391 has ceased , it preserves the integrity of a respected qual.........;-)

 

[D Skelton]

I just have to laugh at threads like this!

All who know me know my feelings on the differences between the 2391 and 2394/95. What I find funny is the sheer pompous drivvel spouted by a bunch of sad old gits who are just bitter that things are changing.

There is no evidence whatsoever that suggests that the new T&I quals are dumbed down, every person I have spoken to who has done both (and I know quite a few) has said quite the opposite. The only people who argue the ---- are those who hold the 2391 and have some sort of irrational fear that the new 2394/95 may one day be regarded higher and therefore try their hardest to put down the new 2394/95 at every turn.

Well all I can say is that neither one is better or worse than the other! Neither one will be held in higher regard in ten years time! There is no bloody difference between them academically, only the fact that the old 2391 was far better value for money!

I won't be getting drawn into debate again on this subject, the fact is that they are worth exactly the same and anyone who says otherwise is talking out of their rear end!