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[pcam1984]

Do any of you know if the 2391 course is available anywhere. I know its been replaced with the 2395 but i've geard that its a dumbed down version. Most companies are still advertising for 2391.

 

[tbs1983]

well said D Skelton. I attended 2391 classes 4-5 years ago but unfortunately failed the written exam. In hindsight I was a bit inexperienced. I then had kids etc etc and never managed to re sit.
Only now am I re-doing the course albeit 2394/95, the content is identical to the 2391, just split into two sections. 2394 (12 weeks @ 3hrs), 2395 (8 weeks @ 3hrs).

 

[trev]

As far as I can tell the new quals are just the old ones broken down into 2 so that the powers that be can screw more money out of people so like my learned friend Mr Skelton says, what's really the difference?

 

[NickD]

inspection is a skill that takes alot of time to master & understand before you contemplate doing any testing exam , new or old.

Obviously hands on experience is important; but so is sound theory and you get that in a classroom, not hands on. And then if you're lucky the two complement each other and grow together to form genuine competence. We seem to hear a lot about the value of experience but not so much about the value of a real grasp of the theory, which I think is a shame. I'm not trying to disparage anyone or any group of people here, but I have had several encounters with the odd "decades of experience" electrician saying the odd thing which showed that theorywise they actually didn't really get it. A classic example was one who swore blind you'd always get appreciable volt drop along a cable, even with no current being carried*. I said hey there's a 50 metre drum, let's measure it, that'd be quick and fun, and suddenly he had somewhere else he had to be.

(*yes I know about insulation leakage, and for AC inductive/capactive effects, hell, there was even a time when I knew about electromagnetic radiative effects too, but having kids purged me of remembering stuff like that - the point is that none of the losses will be appreciable as compared to ohmic voltage drop down the cable caused by load current)

 

[NickD]

Don't think you can do 2391 anymore you'll have to sit the watered down versions 2394 2395

Which element or elements do you think have been watered down compared to the 2391? (2394 & 2395 comprise three elements: paper exam, online test, practical I&T assessment). I can only speak for the exam having done plenty of 2391 written past papers and 2394 / 2395 written actual exam, but I can say pretty confidently there wasn't anything really between the two in terms of difficulty.

 

[Silly Sausage]

As far as I can tell the new quals are just the old ones broken down into 2 so that the powers that be can screw more money out of people so like my learned friend Mr Skelton says, what's really the difference?

Don't be so cynical Trev, it's split so there can be two new defined occupations...
1: An Initial Verifier,
2: A Periodic Inspector.

 

[D Skelton]

Nah, even I concede that it's all about the dollar!

 

[iamelectric]

what annoys me is the fact that i studied for four months solid to do the 94-95 , then you get dummies going to the select/ nic 1 day course where everyone passes no matter how bad you are , and then companies advertise that you have to be with select / nic to do their testing

 

[Andy78]

Its all about the dollar and the rise of the DI. Surely it got split so that DIs can take take the 2394 alone and not risk failing the full thing due to a lack of knowledge and experience on periodic inspection.

 

[Badged01]

Its all about the dollar and the rise of the DI. Surely it got split so that DIs can take take the 2394 alone and not risk failing the full thing due to a lack of knowledge and experience on periodic inspection.

Definately must be something to do with the dollar but not too sure about the other reason for the split. There was still the fundemental I&T C&G qual (whatever the number was) you could do before the 2391. That sort of seperated the men from the boys ....

Not too sure on the rationale for the latest variation other than the £££££'s!!

 

[Andy78]

Definately must be something to do with the dollar but not too sure about the other reason for the split. There was still the fundemental I&T C&G qual (whatever the number was) you could do before the 2391. That sort of seperated the men from the boys ....

Not too sure on the rationale for the latest variation other than the £££££'s!!

Call me suspicious then.....

 

[MDJ]

what annoys me is the fact that i studied for four months solid to do the 94-95 , then you get dummies going to the select/ nic 1 day course where everyone passes no matter how bad you are , and then companies advertise that you have to be with select / nic to do their testing

I don't agree with that, the 94-95 has merit without doubt, any employer suggesting a days course with the NICEIC is equal is either a liar or bonkers, who are these companies who suggest such things?

 

[Engineer54]

I just have to laugh at threads like this!

All who know me know my feelings on the differences between the 2391 and 2394/95. What I find funny is the sheer pompous drivvel spouted by a bunch of sad old gits who are just bitter that things are changing.

There is no evidence whatsoever that suggests that the new T&I quals are dumbed down, every person I have spoken to who has done both (and I know quite a few) has said quite the opposite. The only people who argue the ---- are those who hold the 2391 and have some sort of irrational fear that the new 2394/95 may one day be regarded higher and therefore try their hardest to put down the new 2394/95 at every turn.

Well all I can say is that neither one is better or worse than the other! Neither one will be held in higher regard in ten years time! There is no bloody difference between them academically, only the fact that the old 2391 was far better value for money!

I won't be getting drawn into debate again on this subject, the fact is that they are worth exactly the same and anyone who says otherwise is talking out of their rear end!

I'm no sad old git as you are fond of describing me, and as far as i'm concerned the jury is still out on whether they are as equal as they are made out to be. Just the fact they are now split and students can concentrate on one exam, and then the other, rather than sitting a one off exam, says to me there is a distinct advantage of passing, over the 2391.

But as i say the jury is out. I'm NOT saying that the 2394/5 isn't worth anything, as clearly it is and is still a meaningful qualification and well worth having under your belt....

 

[Badged01]

I'm no sad old git as you are fond of describing me....

Thats what us old ones have to put up with being called these days. The youth of society have no respect for their elders and betters anymore .... :smile5:

 

[Farmelectrics]

and no respect for the 2391 either lol

 

[MDJ]

I have noticed Skelton is getting his knickers in a twist a bit lately about anyone having a go at the Electrical Trainee or anyone suggesting the exams today are easier than they used to be, in fact he is getting quite loud regarding older members here who like to have a moan, I understand his frustration regarding the exams, they are the same really except they have different numbers, but going at the older members about it a bit silly, the younger generation like to argue lmao. He needs to start to laugh again and remember most of it is in jest, jeez these youngsters lol,and to think he was our hero a few weeks ago, Damien take a chill pill.