3 Circuits Into A Drive Cabinet.

[Bobster]

Yes, I know. That is why I want it done properly. I'm hoping it's just a bad sketch and whoever did the change will tell us its all done correctly.

Well, if it's not. As DW and myself has suggested, feeding these greasers from the main panel will probably be the most cost effective solution.

 

[Spoon]

I agree with both of you. If it's done to the sketch then it needs correcting.
I was after more reg numbers to throw at the manager if he asks. EN 60204: 5.1 & 5.3.1 will do though.

 

[Darkwood]

As a company you should, if any of you are undertaking such work, be supplied with or have access to the appropriate regulations, its clear your boss has no clue here nor the guy who installed this as it stands so I do question if you have access to such regulations, if you sub-contract to this company expressing your experience in this area then you should have a copy of the BS60204 or access to it yourself and any other regulations that you need to do the work your involved with, if others in your company are wiring functional circuits only into control panels with no regard for the relevent regulations and/or the fact no risk assessment has been done to see if your work would mean the existing controls may need to be upgraded to meet current standards then your company is playing a very high risk game.
It comes across like your company is trying to fill a big void in the market without using the appropriately knowledgable and qualified people and basically winging it until someone like yourself starts questioning what the hell is going on...
You're either going to get yourself out of a job here for rightly going against your co-workers or your stamping your papers for a good position in said company when its realised you know more than the other employee's, well enough to question their methods.

 

[Spoon]

As a company you should, if any of you are undertaking such work, be supplied with or have access to the appropriate regulations, its clear your boss has no clue here nor the guy who installed this as it stands so I do question if you have access to such regulations, if you sub-contract to this company expressing your experience in this area then you should have a copy of the BS60204 or access to it yourself and any other regulations that you need to do the work your involved with, if others in your company are wiring functional circuits only into control panels with no regard for the relevent regulations and/or the fact no risk assessment has been done to see if your work would mean the existing controls may need to be upgraded to meet current standards then your company is playing a very high risk game.
It comes across like your company is trying to fill a big void in the market without using the appropriately knowledgable and qualified people and basically winging it until someone like yourself starts questioning what the hell is going on...
You're either going to get yourself out of a job here for rightly going against your co-workers or your stamping your papers for a good position in said company when its realised you know more than the other employee's, well enough to question their methods.

wow darkwood... Why are you slagging me and my company off?
The install was done by a sub-contractor. Our company does have the relevant regs, that's how I know which ones this work does against. Hopefully its just a rubbish sketch and the install is correct. We will find out in a bit.
I won't get into trouble at work. I'm not doing this to raise my position (Been here 28 years). I'm doing this because I want things done correctly. The installation manager and I are in different sections of the company.

 

[Bobster]

Let us know the outcome of the installation.

I have a feeling that it's going to be installed as per the drawing.

 

[Spoon]

Let us know the outcome of the installation.

I have a feeling that it's going to be installed as per the drawing.

Will do Rob. If so then we will have to get it fixed.
Installation Manager is on a site for a few days and said he will review it when he gets back.

 

[Darkwood]

Let us know the outcome of the installation.

I have a feeling that it's going to be installed as per the drawing.

Apologies Spoon, it came across like many members on here will be in the same position where you were working for a company that tends to know less than the guys they employ or corner cutters when it comes to adhering to the regs, if this is not the case then my error and sorry, if you have subbed this contractor in to do said work then as a company you are in a good position to ask them to supply a wiring diagram that includes the control circuit from the Press controls and also meets regulations (2 wires with numbers on doesn't show anything regarding how and when the relay/contactor would operate and is pointless supplying such a diagram on its own), if the work has been done then they must rectify it to be paid and if not then don't contract them in as its clear they are clueless.

 

[Spoon]

Apologies Spoon, it came across like many members on here will be in the same position where you were working for a company that tends to know less than the guys they employ or corner cutters when it comes to adhering to the regs, if this is not the case then my error and sorry, if you have subbed this contractor in to do said work then as a company you are in a good position to ask them to supply a wiring diagram that includes the control circuit from the Press controls and also meets regulations (2 wires with numbers on doesn't show anything regarding how and when the relay/contactor would operate and is pointless supplying such a diagram on its own), if the work has been done then they must rectify it to be paid and if not then don't contract them in as its clear they are clueless.

No worries darkwood. No offence taken.
Yes, the sub-contractors should know better. It doesn't help when the grease systems are supplied by China who give no info out up front, even when you pester them on a weekly bases for it. The info that they did give out was initially incorrect. Got told the power needed was 3 phase 4A. It's single phase. So we just had to tell the install guys that they will have to look into this. Email us the info and we can help out if needed.
Still don't have any manuals on these systems. Don't even know if they come with one.

 

[Bobster]

They should be coming with a manual as part of the CE documentation.

Or a manual should be made available online etc...

 

[Spoon]

They should be coming with a manual as part of the CE documentation.

Or a manual should be made available online etc...

Yes, they should come with a manual mate. They may do, just that we don't get to see them. Just the installation guys. They should give us a copy if they have one.