3 Phase testing

[DPG]

As above - it is not 'PAT Testing' This is one of the worst terms ever invented. It's 'ISITEE' as Pete says above. It doesn't just apply to portable stuff, and it doesn't even always involve testing, so forget the phrase 'PAT testing'!!

Oh, and read the Code of Practice.

 

[Pete999]

It's actually called In-Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment, and has been for a while now. People still just call it PAT Testing (a misnomer) because it's less of a mouthfull. It's only on places like here where people have coined the term "FAT Testing" (Fixed Appliance Testing) as a separate thing because they just want to go around plugging things into a machine and pushing a button, but in reality that isn't even a thing.

It's not just Portable, fixed there is a classification for transportable as well, I would imagine testing fixed and Transportable should be priced accordingly and agreed with the client or the Duty holder in some larger concerns

 

[Pete999]

It's actually called In-Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment, and has been for a while now. People still just call it PAT Testing (a misnomer) because it's less of a mouthfull. It's only on places like here where people have coined the term "FAT Testing" (Fixed Appliance Testing) as a separate thing because they just want to go around plugging things into a machine and pushing a button, but in reality that isn't even a thing.

It's not just Portable, fixed there is a classification for transportable as well, I would imagine testing fixed and Transportable should be priced accordingly and agreed with the client or the Duty holder in some larger concerns

 

[Deleted member 26818]

It's not just Portable, fixed there is a classification for transportable as well, I would imagine testing fixed and Transportable should be priced accordingly and agreed with the client or the Duty holder in some larger concerns

TAT testing?

 

[Pete999]

TAT testing?

Why are we all touting stupid things, ISITEE is what it is PATesting is no more, the sooner the factories , super markets, large businesses etc realise this, then we can move on, In Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment, can't be simpler can it? In Service and Electrical Equipment. Power consuming Apparatus, things that consume Electricity, be it single or three phase, it's not fixed wiring, the wiring is there to supply equipment, so lets not call it PAT Testing any more, give it the correct title, perhaps then we wont get people asking questions about PAT testing. If companies, sole traders, bothered to get up to date information, and then decide to read the Latest CoP on ISITEE then we can move on, these larger organisations nee to appoint a Duty holder to organise their equipment, catergorise it, to stop chancers conning them,far to many people, claiming that they have PAT testing qualifications, asking dopey questions, and claiming to be Qualified Electricians.
The larger organisations need to appoint someone as an asset manager, send Him / Her on a course, not to pass a meaninglees exam, but to understand what needs to be done to iron this problem out once and for all, that is until the IET change things again.

 

[Adam W]

TAT testing?

That specifically covers electrical items bought from Poundland.

 

[Adam W]

It's not just Portable, fixed there is a classification for transportable as well, I would imagine testing fixed and Transportable should be priced accordingly and agreed with the client or the Duty holder in some larger concerns

I didn't think I even used the word 'portable' in the post you quoted.

 

[Pete999]

I didn't think I even used the word 'portable' in the post you quoted.

Never said you did just trying to explain my thoughts.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Why are we all touting stupid things, ISITEE is what it is PATesting is no more, the sooner the factories , super markets, large businesses etc realise this, then we can move on, In Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment, can't be simpler can it? In Service and Electrical Equipment. Power consuming Apparatus, things that consume Electricity, be it single or three phase, it's not fixed wiring, the wiring is there to supply equipment, so lets not call it PAT Testing any more, give it the correct title, perhaps then we wont get people asking questions about PAT testing. If companies, sole traders, bothered to get up to date information, and then decide to read the Latest CoP on ISITEE then we can move on, these larger organisations nee to appoint a Duty holder to organise their equipment, catergorise it, to stop chancers conning them,far to many people, claiming that they have PAT testing qualifications, asking dopey questions, and claiming to be Qualified Electricians.
The larger organisations need to appoint someone as an asset manager, send Him / Her on a course, not to pass a meaninglees exam, but to understand what needs to be done to iron this problem out once and for all, that is until the IET change things again.

I think that as long as the organisation which introduced the law requiring electrical equipment to be maintened and safe to use, continues to use the term PAT, then probably everyone else will as well.
Everyone that is, except for the IET.

 

[Adam W]

Never said you did just trying to explain my thoughts.

My two questions to you would be:
Why quote my post?

And secondly:
Why quote it twice?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

My two questions to you would be:
Why quote my post?

And secondly:
Why quote it twice?

The site isn’t what it should be.
Frequently posts don’t appear when you press the reply button. So you press it again and end up with double posts.

 

[Toneyz]

I think some people can bang on repeatedly what it should be called but nearly all people and electricians will always know it as PAT testing and when asked /or asking for PAT testing are referring to portable appliances/appliances with a plug on it they know it and so do most/ all electricians. As long as there is a system in place for testing the electrical fixed and unfixed installation is in place and defects are rectified or the item is taken out of service is the intention.

 

[Pete999]

I think some people can bang on repeatedly what it should be called but nearly all people and electricians will always know it as PAT testing and when asked /or asking for PAT testing are referring to portable appliances/appliances with a plug on it they know it and so do most/ all electricians. As long as there is a system in place for testing the electrical fixed and unfixed installation is in place and defects are rectified or the item is taken out of service is the intention.

People and Electricians should get with the program Ant, when I workd efor the PSA, we had a Planned Maintenance program for Power consuming Apparatus testing, so in reality it's not a new thing, this was back in the 1970s. All these needless qualifications/courses have caused nothing but confusion, the Schemes are to blame, in my opinion. They see a niche for a money making ploy, and jump on it, they use the context of a Dommestic issue, when really every factory, commercial business and house holder should get their power consuming stuff tested, perhaps if they had done this, Genfell MAY not have happened, that is an observation on my part only.

 

[DPG]

I think some people can bang on repeatedly what it should be called but nearly all people and electricians will always know it as PAT testing and when asked /or asking for PAT testing are referring to portable appliances/appliances with a plug on it they know it and so do most/ all electricians. As long as there is a system in place for testing the electrical fixed and unfixed installation is in place and defects are rectified or the item is taken out of service is the intention.

The problem with calling it PAT testing is proven by the fact that people think it means portable appliances and testing. Most of the actual requirements on ISITEE are covered by inspection rather than testing. And it isn't just portable equipment.

And not having a plug on does not mean the item shouldn't be tested. People think they can get away with testing appliances by hard-wiring them to an FCU - nope.

 

[Pete999]

Fixed Appliance testing is covered in the "PAT testing" course only superficially, perhaps the IET and the Scams should address this issue, it could be a source of income for people who don't want to do fixed wiring testing.
It's as important as fixed wiring testing, but in my experience ignored or treated as a nuisance factor by most.