3 plate is best.

[UNG]

Just for my information what councils will not allow 3 plate and what are there legal reason for this, because I can't believe this as it's crazy.

It may just be councils in my area. The reason given for this was as there is no live at the rose it reduces the chance of an electric shock if someone unqualified decides to change a light fitting

And as far as quoting a metal conduit system this is totally different as no one in there right mind would wire 3 plate , this is more commercial. Where as 3 plate is for twin and earth Wiring and not conduit wiring.

I did not quote a metal conduit system try reading the post properly! alot of older properties still have the "old" grip conduit at the switch drops it's alot easier to use this in most cases than chase out walls

Are u a commercial sparks by any chance.

You sound like a union man that has lines of demarcation I am an electrician the fact that I do commercial as well as industrial and domestic means I am not pigeon holed to one sector of the electrical industry as seems the norm these days for alot of electricians. Few electricians these days get experience of the whole electrical trade and even fewer take time to diversify into other related areas like data, communications, alarms (intruder and fire), CCTV to name some that I have gained experience of in 35 years in the trade

 

[ian.settle1]

You sound like a union man that has lines of demarcation I am an electrician the fact that I do commercial as well as industrial and domestic means I am not pigeon holed to one sector of the electrical industry as seems the norm these days for alot of electricians. Few electricians these days get experience of the whole electrical trade and even fewer take time to diversify into other related areas like data, communications, alarms (intruder and fire), CCTV to name some that I have gained experience of in 35 years in the trade

Since the demise of the old apprenticeship system when you did everything the doesn't seem to be the time in my opinion for the training companies to teach people the experiance of the whole electrical industry.

 

[High Tower]

I think both of you are very right!

Only point is, its nothing to do with the standard of education, typr of training or unions!

Simple point is, that adult trainees, students and 16 school leavers all share the common goal, They want to be a spark, but with as little effort and time as possible, people want to be a spark after 5 days training, even people who are serving their time want to do it as quickly as possible. Yes there are exceptions to the rule, i for one am one of them, after 12-14 hrs in the kitchen at work as a chef i come hom,e and pick up the books, i watch training material and scour the internet for training material, i am currently reading the 17th cover to cover for the second time. all of this is above and beyond going to college on my day off. as well as 2391, 2382,2577, 2356, and 2330, next year i will also be going on a fire alarm and emergency lighting course and i will be doing aq data cabling course. there are very few people willing to give this kind of comitment these days and thats why the level of training is as it is today

 

[rocker]

whats 3 plate and 2 plate? does that mean taking a permanent live and neutral to the switch? i always do that with spots and wall lights, other wise i loop in/out the fitting....

Yes mate, the correct term for three plate is 'the loop on loop out method'. I believe it's to do with the number of terminals you use in the ceiling rose connection points.

 

[Des 56]

Loop the switches, 3-plate, 2-plate.dinner plate

Wire the circuits how you see fit depending on your installation

If you loop through the switches and are concerned about a feed at the lights for the next generation of installers,then run an extra core to the light to future proof it

Bunches of cables crammed into light fittings make sometimes,a simple task needlessly more difficult, and the install poorer for that effort

 

[eddielarge]

Loop the switches, 3-plate, 2-plate.dinner plate

Wire the circuits how you see fit depending on your installation

If you loop through the switches and are concerned about a feed at the lights for the next generation of installers,then run an extra core to the light to future proof it

Bunches of cables crammed into light fittings make sometimes,a simple task needlessly more difficult, and the install poorer for that effort

Why would you wire two plate then wire an extra feed to light. Crazy,

It's not about future proofing it's about getting to a job to put in an extra light or smoke and realise that instead of a job with no damage because u can loop of of a light , u now have to chase down to a switch. Therefore one unhappy customer , which 3 plate would have avoided, and if people can't connect 3 plate into a standard light then that's poor

 

[eddielarge]

It may just be councils in my area. The reason given for this was as there is no live at the rose it reduces the chance of an electric shock if someone unqualified decides to change a light fitting



I did not quote a metal conduit system try reading the post properly! alot of older properties still have the "old" grip conduit at the switch drops it's alot easier to use this in most cases than chase out walls



You sound like a union man that has lines of demarcation I am an electrician the fact that I do commercial as well as industrial and domestic means I am not pigeon holed to one sector of the electrical industry as seems the norm these days for alot of electricians. Few electricians these days get experience of the whole electrical trade and even fewer take time to diversify into other related areas like data, communications, alarms (intruder and fire), CCTV to name some that I have gained experience of in 35 years in the trade

Do u use the old conduit to wire the whole lighting system or just the switch drops.

 

[eddielarge]

Do u use the old conduit to wire the whole lighting system or just the switch drops.

I like it when peep presume they know someone, and presume they can't do commercial,CCTV,alarms etc,, it's a bit pigeon holed

 

[Des 56]

Why would you wire two plate then wire an extra feed to light. Crazy,

Not really

I would wire to the switch (live + neutral) and then out to the light (live + neutral)
I suggested if anyone wired this way and was concerned about what went in,in the future,a three core instead of a twin + earth is neither here nor there if there was concern

 

[UNG]

Do u use the old conduit to wire the whole lighting system or just the switch drops.

Just the switch drops, why would you want to reuse the old grip conduit system in it's entirety?!

 

[UNG]

I like it when peep presume they know someone, and presume they can't do commercial,CCTV,alarms etc,, it's a bit pigeon holed

Don't understand your comment when you made the original pigeon holed comment!!

Are u a commercial sparks by any chance.

 

[bramboy]

In our game the electrical field is that big. We all normally know a little about all the different types of work we carry out and normally detailed knowledge about one or two of the tasks. Sometimes thinking you know can be dangerous and other times you only learn by your mistakes. Each persons will change over the years. Experience is the word.

 

[rocker]

In our game the electrical field is that big. We all normally know a little about all the different types of work we carry out and normally detailed knowledge about one or two of the tasks. Sometimes thinking you know can be dangerous and other times you only learn by your mistakes. Each persons will change over the years. Experience is the word.

I agree with your sentiments and all, but grease is the word, as you are well aware.

 

[andyemms]

I have been rewiring houses for ROK in Bristol and nearly every property the other sparks have been doing has been done taking mains to switches, even with loft access they do it upstairs! It's madness!

I'm in favour of 3 plate....

 

[Andyfm]

It all depends what light fittings are going up,in most of the imported chinese rubbish you`re lucky to get one cable let alone 3 or 4