5 week short courses

[Starjack]

So is it possible to be a fast-food worker or an office worker and then go on a 5 week course and come out the other end proclaiming to be an electrician.
In addition to that should you be allowed to do a 5 week course and immediately go self employed.
Is it safe to do a 5 week course then immediately be let loose on the public.

In my opinion if you insist on doing a 5 week course it should be compulsory to work for a company under a competent electrician for at least 3-5 years before becoming self employed.

5 weeks!!! It took me longer than that to learn to swim.

 

[Toneyz]

You don’t need to do any course at all to be an electrician.
At least if they do a 5 week course and obtain some qualification, they’ll be qualified.

The problem is the lack of on-site experience. Overcoming on-site problems especially in existing installations.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Thing is no amount of training accounts for stupidity amd chancers. I have known fully qualified sparks who i wondered if they could change a plug! How they got through the am2 is a miracle in itself. Have met labourers who could teach many a folk a thing or two. Being ex forces I know several who have gone down the 5 week route which coupled with there military training in say engineering of some sort they are very good and adept at what they do. Meticulous to detail and like the regs. Truth be told I dont have the nvq3 but have 2365 2/3 and other qualifications. Not technically an electrician on that basis but at the end of the day it comes down to knowing your limits we all choose an area be it house bashing. Commercial or industrial. Work within them. Think about what you are doing and always be open to learn more as there will always be something you dont know. If you bite off more than you can chew it will bite you in the backside.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If you can navigate Queens Regulations, BS7671 is a doddle.

 

[FatAlan]

Must admit I do cringe when someone posts ‘Newley Qualified’ . I’m one of those who’s done the short intensive courses and recently started 2365 at college even though some of it is more basic than some of the level three stuff I’ve already passed. I’ve recently been signed off as a domestic installer by Elecsa but as far as I’m concerned it just makes you more aware of your limitations. Having spent the last six months plus renovating my house I can safely say I’ve made a few small f**k ups but they have been invaluable learning experiences. Goes back to the previous threads in respect of the lack of incentives businesses have to take on apprentices.

 

[SparkyChick]

So is it possible to be a fast-food worker or an office worker and then go on a 5 week course and come out the other end proclaiming to be an electrician.
In addition to that should you be allowed to do a 5 week course and immediately go self employed.
Is it safe to do a 5 week course then immediately be let loose on the public.

In my opinion if you insist on doing a 5 week course it should be compulsory to work for a company under a competent electrician for at least 3-5 years before becoming self employed.

5 weeks!!! It took me longer than that to learn to swim.

Is it possible? Yes. It is (whether you like it or not) a recognised route into the industry.

Should you be allowed to go self-employed? This ties in to 'Is it safe?'.

What you've not considered is someone's relevant experience.

If said individual has sufficient knowledge and understanding, and is cognisant of their limitations then I see no reason why someone shouldn't set themselves up in business.

I did.

Should everyone who goes on a short course do this? Hell no.

Since setting up my business, I've gone back to college and have successfully passed on the level 3 exams and the week before Christmas I went and took the AM2 which I passed, so all I have left to complete is my NVQ3 portfolio and a written project paper.

Will I then be worthy of the title 'electrician'? Although to be fair, an electrician is someone who installs and maintains electrical equipment... I do that every day, so I'm an electrician.

Your route into the industry does not decide whether you're going to be any good, it's what's going on in your head that decides that.

I'd also like to point out, I can remember seeing some cracking questions on here from industrial/commercial sparks having their first go at house bashing and no one really bats an eyelid. But a short courser pops up with a question and suddenly they are incompetent and shouldn't be allowed to work in peoples home.

 

[FatAlan]

One thing I’ve come to realise in like is that -------- does baffle brains. There are those that know how and those that know why. The world tends to be governed by the bullshites who use the doers to their own ends. More fool me!

 

[peterhyper]

3-5 years training to do house bashing seems over the top to me, but as already highlighted some people are able to pick things up easier than others.

Starjack, You must be due an award for 177 posts and you only joined on Friday, is work quiet?

 

[gazdkw82]

This has been about talked to death. It's a tricky one because some quality Sparks will filter through but the general consensus of the courses is that you will be guided on how to pass. Not given the knowledge and experience to pass on your own merits.

That scares me.

 

[Andy78]

Starjack, You must be due an award for 177 posts and you only joined on Friday, is work quiet?

It's already been established he is an out of work plasterer on the wind up.

 

[Starjack]

Some good replies, and I agree with some of them But Some replies are answering the question wrong, If you have prior knowledge or a general grasp of things then that is fine.
My Main Question is: Should Someone who as only ever worked in a different field Ie Fast food outlet, office, window cleaner be allowed to sit a 5 week course and then immediately set up a company and go around charging the unsuspecting public for their services, then ( and it happens ) come on somewhere like here And ask how to do a job that they are charging some poor sod for.

 

[Squid]

If you haven't done an apprenticeship and been tied up naked in a basement with swarfega around your meat and two veg then you have no right to call yourself an "electrician"........

 

[Starjack]

3-5 years training to do house bashing seems over the top to me, but as already highlighted some people are able to pick things up easier than others.

Starjack, You must be due an award for 177 posts and you only joined on Friday, is work quiet?

On the contrary , we are snowed under but as I have explained in other threads, when you have money and power and Minions earning you money then you can do as you wish with your time.
I do a lot of work from my laptop now and it's not hard to do that while checking my bank balance and popping in here to reply to my fans.

 

[DPG]

Here we go again

 

[richy3333]

3 weeker with alleged engineering degree! Incompetence is incompetence. Some pics posted before.

 

[Squid]

On the contrary , we are snowed under but as I have explained in other threads, when you have money and power and Minions earning you money then you can do as you wish with your time.
I do a lot of work from my laptop now and it's not hard to do that while checking my bank balance and popping in here to reply to my fans.