5 week wonders:

[rapparee]

The AM2 is a lot easier now than it was a few years ago when they changed the content!

I was one of the first to do new am2 and one of the last to do the 2391. There was no conduit in the new am2.

 

[pitkin2020]

Then they defiantly would have failed the origional, failing this one just shows a poorer standard of teaching/ colleges pushing people through to fast.

I can't say I disagree even as a student currently. It's all about "passing the exam" rather than gaining knowledge.
Thankfully I have taken it upon myself to gain the extra knowledge which I think has shown itself in college as on the practical side of things I'm generally well ahead of the rest of the group.

 

[pitkin2020]

I was one of the first to do new am2 and one of the last to do the 2391. There was no conduit in the new am2.

I can sort of see there being no need for conduit to a point but if the other methods are there then really it should be.
Out of curiosity is there anything on PV in the am2 as I read it had some PV parts in it which concerns me a little as the course doesn't really touch on anything PV related.

 

[Bobster]

Nothing that I know of regarding PV on the new AM2.

 

[Bobster]

I can sort of see there being no need for conduit to a point but if the other methods are there then really it should be.
Out of curiosity is there anything on PV in the am2 as I read it had some PV parts in it which concerns me a little as the course doesn't really touch on anything PV related.

Why?? Containment was a skill every electrician was taught.

 

[pitkin2020]

Why?? Containment was a skill every electrician was taught.

I think that the point it's a skill you have been taught which surely you shouldn't even be attempting the am2 until other qualifications are in place prior where conduit training would have been a part of it. ??

 

[Diddy]

I think that the point it's a skill you have been taught which surely you shouldn't even be attempting the am2 until other qualifications are in place prior where conduit training would have been a part of it. ??

I think there was 10-15 in our AM2 exam. Out of the say 15 there were 2 who had never ever seen a piece of metal conduit before and 1 who had never seen ANY type of conduit before. So when faced with having to do a simple "bubble" (Don't know what you guys call it lol) over a piece of conduit...using a piece of 20mm black enamel conduit that was 3 guys who had done a 3-4 year apprenticeship who could not do the relatively simple task. You had to make sure the bubble did not have a gap under it bigger than a finger width. So to not include it is a dumbing down of the test no matter which way we look at it.
My memory is hazy did we also do Pyro in the old AM2....I know it wont be in the new one as it is not used as much now....but what does a "new" spark do when he comes across a Pyro install....apart from come on here lol.

 

[pitkin2020]

Pyro??
I see your point.

One thing we haven't done on the level 2 or even due to on the level is MIMS which I found surprising seeing how much of it I have seen in site

 

[telectrix]

with conduit and micc these days, you won't learn it at college. only way is with a bender and micc tools, standing alongside an ever increasing pile of scrap tube and micc cable. :ack2:

 

[Geordie Spark]

with conduit and micc these days, you won't learn it at college. only way is with a bender and micc tools, standing alongside an ever increasing pile of scrap tube and micc cable. :ack2:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=y...nnel=fflb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=c7ZcVM3xE-vH8gewrIHwBQ

 

[Diddy]

with conduit and micc these days, you won't learn it at college. only way is with a bender and micc tools, standing alongside an ever increasing pile of scrap tube and micc cable. :ack2:

Hehe you just reminded me of a chapel we done when I was an apprentice. a lot of surface work, metal conduit and micc. There was one lad who's project was to "improve" his conduit skills. So he was given a nice bit to do which included an arch and a few obsticles that required bubbles and sets ect ect.....we all called his pile of conduit the "conduit graveyard" which we also attached a "headstone" inscribed here lies this jobs profit......funny enough the lad ended up one of the better guys with metal conduit. Similar stuff happened with the micc where a bad end made off so badly that the cable would need re-run....again the apprentices learned pretty quickly. All good fun when working with a "proper" firm with guys who would take the time to show the young ones how the job should be done.

 

[Rockingit]

Forget the niceties of conduit and pyro......have just returned home as have a gap in my day for a couple of hours to find that a neighbour a few doors down has run a shower cable (looks like 10mm but might be 6mm, can't tell) in 6242Y with no other protection, vertically up the external end gable wall that gets all the sun, not even remotely straight, unclipped in the vertical, probably straight into the wylex box that all these places had originally....... and it wasn't the bloke who did it, it was some Electrical Trainee chancer in a van. Why the chuff do we bother?

 

[7029 dave]

I have met one today, from overseas been on an 7 week NIC course DI, he wanted to gland an 25mm SWA sub straight into the bottom of the meter box,then just into my isolator, I said WHAT, put it through an metal clad switch fuse, then tail out into my isolator.!!

 

[telectrix]

just another incompetent fuelling the niceic coffers.

 

[CockneyReject]

I think that the point it's a skill you have been taught which surely you shouldn't even be attempting the am2 until other qualifications are in place prior where conduit training would have been a part of it. ??

Conduit training was done mostly on site mate you got given a pile of pipe, a pipe bender and the other tools needed to crack on, if you were lucky you got shown off a spark who could bend pipe and if you weren't, well your conduit graveyard was a lot bigger and more lads would take the ****, you were also taught it at college, we were given a booth to pipe out with all the different types of bends and sets and they had to be perfect to pass that assesment