Access 2 Tade Careers

[guitargraham]

Hi all, as promised in previous thread update of Access2trade training module (for the background on this check out thread “help needed”).
First thing to say is 10 out of 10, the training facility is brand new but caters for all required news, the only down side is poor lunch time menu, but what was on offer was OK.
There were 13 of us doing the course from a cross section of people including a lass from Scotland, and what a great bunch they all were, sure makes a difference to learning when you are all paying for it yourself.
First day and half was spent in the classroom doing theory then out to the workshop.
Purpose built wooden rooms which became our home for two and a half days.
There we installed a consumer unit, did the earth bonding and then installed and wired a light socket with single switch with a ELV spotlight connected via a junction box and a second light working from 2 switches, this might not sound like much but to 13 newbie’s it was a work of ART?
We then dead tested all circuits for earth loop impendence, Zs etc using a very impressive Megger tester, £800 worth we were told?
Then we connected up to the mains and switched on, or not? But we all pitched in helping each other to sort out all the little niggles.
Then back to the classroom and more studying, more tests and then a brief on are part 2 studying module and what we need to do before we return for the second weeks training.
All in all a cracking week with a great bunch of people and a great bunch of tutors who had all the time in the world to spend with us all, but especially are main tutor Wade a totally top class guy, hope I have him next time.
Have included a photo of my work booth with my lights on, sad but I was chuffed to bits to install it all and see it work.

Regards till next update.

Graham

 

[Besim10]

You cannot work in a commercial environment unsupervised without the 2330 L2+ L3 and 2356 (NVQ3) or previous qualifications i.e the 236 or 2360 P1 and P2.

There may not be bad feedback about access 2 trade yet as they are quite new to the industry, however after looking on their website they advertise a 'professional electrician' without offering the 2330 the electrician course, with only domestic training. Isn't this a form of mis-selling?

You be the judge...

 

[guitargraham]

Hi Besim

Your post got me thinking so i asked access2trade and this is the reply.

"The good news is that the training you are doing will let you work as a commerical and industrial electrician. You do not need the 2330 in order to be classed as a qualified or professional electrician

The 2391 is regarded as the most complicated exams, even by highly trained sparkies, and this is what you'll take at the end of your training (no pressure!)

The 2330 is what people normally train towards if they follow the apprentice route. It takes a long time, up to four years, because most people are released on day leave to study."

And as i said i my last post the 2391 is the important 1. Two sparks i spoke to before i enrolled, 1 is a electrical company director the other a team manager both mentioned the 2391 and said thats the 1 which a lot of people shy away from.

But i feel happy with what i am doing and so do the people i have meet on the course.

Graham.

 

[Besim10]

Hi Besim

Your post got me thinking so i asked access2trade and this is the reply.

"The good news is that the training you are doing will let you work as a commerical and industrial electrician. You do not need the 2330 in order to be classed as a qualified or professional electrician

The 2391 is regarded as the most complicated exams, even by highly trained sparkies, and this is what you'll take at the end of your training (no pressure!)

The 2330 is what people normally train towards if they follow the apprentice route. It takes a long time, up to four years, because most people are released on day leave to study."

And as i said i my last post the 2391 is the important 1. Two sparks i spoke to before i enrolled, 1 is a electrical company director the other a team manager both mentioned the 2391 and said thats the 1 which a lot of people shy away from.

But i feel happy with what i am doing and so do the people i have meet on the course.

Graham.

I'm sorry to say that if that is what they have told you, it is a total lie. There is no qualification that they offer which will allow you to work 'LEGALLY' on a commercial or industrial premises unsupervised. With regards to being a qualified electrician the 2391 is not important at all. The 2391 allows one to do periodic testing and signing off electrical installations others have made. It doesn't allow you to do an office block rewire. It is a good money earner and should be done by a qualified experienced electrician.

A 2391 should not be even attempted by someone with only a basic understanding of domestic installations. One of the main units of the 2330 level 3 course is inspection testing and commissioning. A crucial unit one needs to learn on theory and practice before even attempting the 2391 exam. And even then then exam is still tough but at least one has a chance.

The 2330 is not only available on the apprentice route, can be done privately also.

The end result should be working towards the NVQ3 2356, what you need to be recognised as an approved electrician. This also happens to be a listed qualification if one wanted to immigrate somewhere for example. It is the current industry standard. No other qualifications hold this weight I'm afraid.

 

[guitargraham]

Hi Basim

What if i dont want to rewire a office block? what if i just want to be a house basher, i dont see what the problem is that you have with the course i am doing?

I dont want do appear to be rude and really enjoy being part of this forum, but i am doing this to improve my life and have loads of good feedback from A) people doing the course and B) poeple who have replied to questions i have posted

At the end of the day we all have 1 thing in common, ELECTRICITY, Sung by OMD Cracking song.

Regards

Graham

 

[dimspark]

Hi Basim

What if i dont want to rewire a office block? what if i just want to be a house basher, i dont see what the problem is that you have with the course i am doing?

I dont want do appear to be rude and really enjoy being part of this forum, but i am doing this to improve my life and have loads of good feedback from A) people doing the course and B) poeple who have replied to questions i have posted

At the end of the day we all have 1 thing in common, ELECTRICITY, Sung by OMD Cracking song.

Regards

Graham

Hi Graham, i'm not sure Basim is saying he has a problem with the course you are doing, he is simply saying that it won't legally allow you to work in a commercial premises.
The problem is Access are saying it will, someone has got it wrong I just haven't found any other info to justify either yet.
But what I don't understand is if you just want to be a house basher why do the 2391 qualification which allows you to test commercial premises? I will be rewiring office blocks (hopefully!), and I can't afford to invest £6k in something that offers a "professional electrician course" but won't allow me to operate as one.

Fingers crossed it will all become clear soon.......

 

[guitargraham]

Hi

Altough i just want to be a house basher i may at a later stage want to progress to other things, so signed up to the full course to get it out of the way.

just googled both of these exams and found the following

http://www.cityandguilds.com/documents/ind_construction_electrical/2330-FAQ.pdf

City and Guilds 2391 and 2392 Qualifications - Building Regulations Compliance - Specifiers and LandLords - NICEIC Group

Feel happy with what i am doing and the information Access have given me.

Hopefully at the end of next week i will have full filled step 1 and have 17th edtion and the C & G 2392-10 level 10 and can apply to join a governing body, ( which one still not sure?)

Thanks to all for imput and hope that between us we are helping other people.

Graham

 

[dimspark]

You've certainly helped me Graham, good luck with the rest of the course, i'll be in touch if I ending going with access 2 trade,

All the best

 

[Besim10]

Hi Graham, i'm not sure Basim is saying he has a problem with the course you are doing, he is simply saying that it won't legally allow you to work in a commercial premises.
The problem is Access are saying it will, someone has got it wrong I just haven't found any other info to justify either yet.
But what I don't understand is if you just want to be a house basher why do the 2391 qualification which allows you to test commercial premises? I will be rewiring office blocks (hopefully!), and I can't afford to invest £6k in something that offers a "professional electrician course" but won't allow me to operate as one.

Fingers crossed it will all become clear soon.......

Totally agree with your comment here dimspark

 

[Ossie]

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[Rook45]

I am not long finished my first week. You get a first class set of tools check you have everything and do it quick as you dont get long. The first week is really busy you start in on a lighting system two way switch, single way switch and a down lighter There are also quite a lot of exams to do in the classroom but if I can do it anyone can the tutors are very good but I would say Wade is the main man if you have any problems.
Cheers Rook45

 

[DougGlen]

ok so what you guys are saying is to work in the industry as an "electrician" you need C&G 2330??

what do you need to do this ?

I'm currently on the access to trade careers "professional" electrician and now a bit annoyed to find out about this C&G 2330 not being on my course.

could I do the 2330 while still doing my access course? And if so when would be the best time to do this during the course, or after??

any help would be very much appreciated, im still kinda confused as to what i need to have in the industry; from what i understand the access course is kinda skipping a step by not having the 2330? confused :S lol

any help would be much appreciated

Also would like to know what exams etc are in the first week if any one can tell me

 

[guitargraham]

Hi all, has promised my week 3 update?

It was 1 hell of a week, totally fried my brains.But its only what i thought it would be.
Monday 17th edtion exam, all seem to go pair shape, but got through and got a pass.

Tuesday, dead and live testing, morning in the class room and afternoon in the testing bay, my head was totally gone, Jason the tutour was giving me and another lad a really hard time, but we where struggling? Wednesday back to the bay we had it sorted, Jason,s technique was spot on, just what we needed.
Thursday morning go threw the tests then in the afternoon in to the testing bay, 2 hours pratical exam doing dead and live testing, must of lost a stone? only 4 of us in the class and all passed.
Friday morning, 1 hour prep for the theory testing, 2 hours later all 4 passed. Mission complete, now quaified has a domestic electrician.

Big thanks to Jason the tutour, he really pushed me hard and got me through it.

to Doug, the 2330 is the apprentice route, check out the links in the thread for more info.

Thanks to all who PM,ed me, my next update will be in the New Year when i start on my own.

Graham

 

[Besim10]

Hi all, has promised my week 3 update?

It was 1 hell of a week, totally fried my brains.But its only what i thought it would be.
Monday 17th edtion exam, all seem to go pair shape, but got through and got a pass.

Tuesday, dead and live testing, morning in the class room and afternoon in the testing bay, my head was totally gone, Jason the tutour was giving me and another lad a really hard time, but we where struggling? Wednesday back to the bay we had it sorted, Jason,s technique was spot on, just what we needed.
Thursday morning go threw the tests then in the afternoon in to the testing bay, 2 hours pratical exam doing dead and live testing, must of lost a stone? only 4 of us in the class and all passed.
Friday morning, 1 hour prep for the theory testing, 2 hours later all 4 passed. Mission complete, now quaified has a domestic electrician.

Big thanks to Jason the tutour, he really pushed me hard and got me through it.

to Doug, the 2330 is the apprentice route, check out the links in the thread for more info.

Thanks to all who PM,ed me, my next update will be in the New Year when i start on my own.

Graham

The 2330 is not the apprentice route. It's the electrician Route. It can be done via college or through private companies. If you were a school leaver or adult apprentice and you approached your local college to become an electrician they would put you through the 2330 L2 (2 years for most colleges) and 2330 L3 (1 year). Doing this course distance learning (Theory from home) will take around 6 months each level (give or take).

The most important thing is the 2330 will train you and certify you to work in commercial, industrial and domestic rather than just domestic which is what you can work in with the course you are doing. Once the NVQ3 2356 is achieved, your are an approved electrician, add a part p and 17th edition, you can get a JIB S grade gold card (one of the most presteigous in the industry).

Please read my previous posts Doug but if you want to know more, let me know

This Link may help

Electrician Job Profile

 

[DougGlen]

Ok so would I be right in saying that as well as doing

EAL VRQ Level 2 Certificate for Domestic Electrical Installers
City & Guilds 2382-10 Level 3 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installation (17th Edition)
City & Guilds 2392-10 Level 2 Certificate in the Fundamental Inspection, Testing and Initial Verification
City & Guilds 2391-10 Level 3 Certificate in Inspection, Testing and Certification of Electrical Installations
City & Guilds 2377-12 Level 3 Certificate for the Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment

I would also need to do the

2330 AND NVQ3 2356 or just one??

thanks Besim10 for your help

 

[Jurasic Spark]

EAWR 1989 Regulation 16

"No person shall engage in work that requires technical knowledge or experience to prevent danger or injury, unless he has that knowledge or experience, or is under appropriate supervision.
Standard of duty - absolute."

There is no mention of any C & G qualifications, but I guess they are 1 way of proving a level of competence.