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Hi all, as promised in previous thread update of Access2trade training module (for the background on this check out thread “help needed”).
First thing to say is 10 out of 10, the training facility is brand new but caters for all required news, the only down side is poor lunch time menu, but what was on offer was OK.
There were 13 of us doing the course from a cross section of people including a lass from Scotland, and what a great bunch they all were, sure makes a difference to learning when you are all paying for it yourself.
First day and half was spent in the classroom doing theory then out to the workshop.
Purpose built wooden rooms which became our home for two and a half days.
There we installed a consumer unit, did the earth bonding and then installed and wired a light socket with single switch with a ELV spotlight connected via a junction box and a second light working from 2 switches, this might not sound like much but to 13 newbie’s it was a work of ART?
We then dead tested all circuits for earth loop impendence, Zs etc using a very impressive Megger tester, ÂŁ800 worth we were told?
Then we connected up to the mains and switched on, or not? But we all pitched in helping each other to sort out all the little niggles.
Then back to the classroom and more studying, more tests and then a brief on are part 2 studying module and what we need to do before we return for the second weeks training.
All in all a cracking week with a great bunch of people and a great bunch of tutors who had all the time in the world to spend with us all, but especially are main tutor Wade a totally top class guy, hope I have him next time.
Have included a photo of my work booth with my lights on, sad but I was chuffed to bits to install it all and see it work.

Regards till next update.

Graham
 

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Ok so would I be right in saying that as well as doing

EAL VRQ Level 2 Certificate for Domestic Electrical Installers
City & Guilds 2382-10 Level 3 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installation (17th Edition)
City & Guilds 2392-10 Level 2 Certificate in the Fundamental Inspection, Testing and Initial Verification
City & Guilds 2391-10 Level 3 Certificate in Inspection, Testing and Certification of Electrical Installations
City & Guilds 2377-12 Level 3 Certificate for the Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment

I would also need to do the

2330 AND NVQ3 2356 or just one??

thanks Besim10 for your help :)

To be a qualified electrician you will need both
 
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ok so what you guys are saying is to work in the industry as an "electrician" you need C&G 2330??

what do you need to do this ?

I'm currently on the access to trade careers "professional" electrician and now a bit annoyed to find out about this C&G 2330 not being on my course.

could I do the 2330 while still doing my access course? And if so when would be the best time to do this during the course, or after??

any help would be very much appreciated, im still kinda confused as to what i need to have in the industry; from what i understand the access course is kinda skipping a step by not having the 2330? confused :S lol

any help would be much appreciated :)

Also would like to know what exams etc are in the first week :) if any one can tell me :)

Doug, you don't "need" the 2330 to work in the industry as an electrician. I have spoken to NICEIC and they have said that I will be able to work legally under their scheme provided I have my 17th edition and have work that they can inspect. The most important thing seems to be experience and the 2330 does give a certain amount of that, but there are other ways! As far as I know you need your 2330 and 2356 to be on the JIB scheme but this isn't fundamental to you working as an electrician. Please somebody correct me if i'm wrong!?
 
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You are correct.
The 2356 is a Log book based on onsite assessments so if you are not already working in the areas needed to be assessed in order to achieve the NVQ then you are not going to get it.
 
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Hi,

No disrespect to anyone with my following comments - just want to get things into perspective.

You don't need anything to work legally as an electrician - the requirement is COMPETENCE.

What the 2330 gives you, that a three week 'wonder course' doesn't, is the fundemental basics and theory, along with practical work, to help you on the way to being COMPETENT.

You can take all the shortcuts that you like into this trade but, at the end of the day, it's you that has to be happy with your competence to do the work that you undertake and you that will be asked to prove that competence when the fire engines have been to a job that you did and you're up in court (god forbid!)

If you're happy calling yourself a domestic electrician after 3 weeks training, thats fine.

I've done the 2330 level2, 17th edition, I've took my 2391 and I'm half way through my 2330 level3 - I still wouldn't call myself an electrician (domestic or otherwise)

When I am completely happy with my competence I am going self employed - and not before. I still have a lot to learn.

The 'domestic electricians' reading this might be interested in a question we were given in college today - it might give a good idea of the difference in understanding dealt with in the two courses.

This is a 2330 level 3 question - it threw me for a while until I got my head around it:)

Mrs Jones wants a new cooker circuit installing for her 6 KW cooker.
The supply is 230v 50 hz. The ambient temperature is 35 degrees and protection is by a BS3036 fuse.
The cable is 70 degree thermoplastic pvc/pvc T&E, and is to be installed in earthed metalic conduit, buried in the wall, for mechanical protection.
The length of the run from CU to cooker is 30 meters and a socket outlet is to be incorporated in the cooker connection unit.
Volt drop must not exceed 6v.

Give:

Rating of the protective device

Conductor CSA of cable selected

Confirm volt drop is within limit

A nice little domestic scenario - might be your first job:D

Have fun,


Wayne
 
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Hi,

Probably is basic to anyone used to cable calcs, but I'd say 90% of our level 3 class were struggling a bit with this, so I have my doubts as to whether anyone on a short course would grasp it that easily - I'd like to be proven wrong:)

I think I've got it now but, anyone wants to volunteer an answer, feel free.

I think the second part of the question asked what would happen to your answers if you swapped out the 3036 for mcb/rcbo instead.


Cheers,


Wayne
 
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The first thing you need to calc' is the design current (Ib) of your circuit. So what have you got for this and how did you come by that value?

Why have you been given 6v for vd?
 
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Why have you been given 6v for vd?

Hi,

I think it's just so that we get used to being able to check it - I know the regs would allow higher than that.

I doubt that the whole scenario makes sense - it's just to get us to practise the calcs, I think.:)

I remember touching on this when I did the 17th edition but it hasn't really been mentioned since - it's mostly come back to me now, but I wasn't joking about most of the lads at college struggling with it.

Wayne
 
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Hi,
but I wasn't joking about most of the lads at college struggling with it.
Wayne

Wayne,
I'm sure this is true but doesn't that kind of undermine the arguement about the 2330 college route being superior?;)

Anyway back to Mrs Jones' cooker, do you reckon it needs any additional protection?
 
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Hi,

I don't know - this is what I'm trying to suss out - the levels of teaching in the different courses and the level of understanding that you come away with - I'm just going about it badly.:)

I don't think it undermines the course - It could be that the course is too difficult to be taken if you're not actually working in the industry - most of the lads at college aren't!


Sorry, forgot to answer your question,

I got Ib at 19.8A (after diversity) or 26.09A if your applying full rating.

So then selected a 20A BS3036

And yes, it would require additional protection because of the socket outlet, regardless of the cables being mechanically protected.

Cheers,

Wayne
 
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Hi,

I got Ib at 19.8A (after diversity) CORRECT or 26.09A if your applying full rating.

So then selected a 20A BS3036

And yes, it would require additional protection because of the socket outlet, regardless of the cables being mechanically protected.

Cheers,

Wayne

Ok, so how does your college tutor wish you to provide the required additional protection with a rewireable fuse?
 
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Like I said, I think it's more to get us used to the calcs - or maybe thats why they threw in the second part of the question regarding the rcbo.

I did consider the rcd issue myself and thought probably an inline rcd next to the CU for additional protection and the 3036 for overcurrent, if this was an actual situation - failing that, splash out on a seperate rcbo in its own little enclosure - or lose the socket outlet ha ha:)
 
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Like I said, I think it's more to get us used to the calcs - or maybe thats why they threw in the second part of the question regarding the rcbo.
:)

Or maybe a case of the 2330 lecturers not realising that they are giving a none valid problem.

Anyway regardless, what is the min amount of current your cable needs to be able to carry and what size cable have you selected?
 
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I got it to 29A for the cable and selected 6mm - and the volt drop worked out fine.I think the socket was mentioned purely so we had to remember to allow for it in the diversity - and the 3036 is thrown in so that you have to apply the correction factor - as I say, purely a calcs exersise.

When do you do your 2391 prac, by the way, or have you already done it - got mine in the third week in January
 
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Hi to all,

Just wanted to say thanks to this community and this thread. I work as a computer technician, but last year I decided for a career change to an Electrician. Something I have always thought about.

As im in full time employment, I needed a course I work at on my own pace. I looked around and finally decided to go for Access2Carreers. It was a tough decision as there are plenty of different options, but this course seemed right. Also due to feed back here, that made my final decisional. I signed up min November. The people I have spoken to so far have been kind, positive and very supportive. I received books and study material really quickly and before I knew it, well into study :)

I have not done my first week practical yet, but will be calling up about available dates very shortly. Im hoping to get my first practical out the way by the end of Fed, preferably sooner.

So still pretty much a newbie to this course, but so far good feedback.

Hope that is to some help to people deciding. I realise it is not the cheapest course around, but at the end of the day I want what is best for me (learning is individual) and if that means a little bit more for a better experience, then that is not a problem for me.

If anybody has any questions im more then happy to respond and I shall keep my progress updated. However, im well behind other people already on this course.


(GOOD LUCK - WayneL for your next practical) !!!

Barry
 
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