Advice on old style junction box for cooker - need to replace cooker, told box illegal?

[Katoli]

Hi everyone, there is an electrical cooker already in situ and still connected to this junction box. Have been told box is illegal. I have no idea why, box has been checked inside and is earthed. Can anyone tell me what the issue is please so that I know how to install the new cooker? Big thanks in advance.

 

[Katoli]

Thank you so much for all your advice, everyone. I'd willingly pay an electrician to install the new cooker but I had one installer arrive who said he could not install the cooker because the box was "illegal" and he was "not able to fit a new box". My main dilemma is this is rural North Wales and NO ONE will do the job! One electrician said he was fully booked until end of September 2018 and none of the others will even return phone calls! I cannot find an electrician to come to the Betws-y-Coed area. We would do it ourselves and are pretty handy with 'normal' DIY, woodwork, simple plumbing etc, but is installing the new cooker something we can safely do ourselves? Or can anyone find an electrician in this area?? Many thanks again!

 

[ipf]

Yep, and then this **** happens;

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Bad to present regs, I know, but I've seen a lot worse...if the cable is correct. At least it's a decent (dry) jointing box. In the past, strip connectors and tape were widely used and, if used correctly, lasted accordingly.



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[ipf]

Thank you so much for all your advice, everyone. I'd willingly pay an electrician to install the new cooker but I had one installer arrive who said he could not install the cooker because the box was "illegal" and he was "not able to fit a new box". My main dilemma is this is rural North Wales and NO ONE will do the job! One electrician said he was fully booked until end of September 2018 and none of the others will even return phone calls! I cannot find an electrician to come to the Betws-y-Coed area. We would do it ourselves and are pretty handy with 'normal' DIY, woodwork, simple plumbing etc, but is installing the new cooker something we can safely do ourselves? Or can anyone find an electrician in this area?? Many thanks again!

Don't worry, it doesn't look serious and is certainly not illegal. As has been stated, a bit of adhesive backed, white plastic mini trunking covering the cable will do for the time being, with a low level outlet at a later date, maybe.
edit. Sorry, misread. You need to install new cooker? It's only a small job for an electrician. Keep trying to find one.

 

[Taylortwocities]

If you have some spare tiles, the proper way is to remove a vertical row and fit a cooker connection point at lower level.

But I was really suprised about something

this is rural North Wales

There's ELECTRICITY in North Wales? Blimey!

 

[Midwest]

Bad to present regs, I know, but I've seen a lot worse...if the cable is correct. At least it's a decent (dry) jointing box. In the past, strip connectors and tape were widely used and, if used correctly, lasted accordingly.



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The joint was covered with a piece of plywood, and then covered over with tiles.

 

[ipf]

The joint was covered with a piece of plywood, and then covered over with tiles.[/QUOTE]
I know...and it's not good.......but it's not plastered in the wall. How long ago was it done, was it a good connection and how long has it lasted? 25 years ago, I'd have used through crimps....so what?
What's wrong with ply....compared with timber and plasterboard?

 

[telectrix]

If you have some spare tiles, the proper way is to remove a vertical row and fit a cooker connection point at lower level.

But I was really suprised about something

There's ELECTRICITY in North Wales? Blimey!

OP is in Betws-y-Coed. next to a bloody fast flowing river and he's got a water wheel.

 

[telectrix]

Thank you so much for all your advice, everyone. I'd willingly pay an electrician to install the new cooker but I had one installer arrive who said he could not install the cooker because the box was "illegal" and he was "not able to fit a new box". My main dilemma is this is rural North Wales and NO ONE will do the job! One electrician said he was fully booked until end of September 2018 and none of the others will even return phone calls! I cannot find an electrician to come to the Betws-y-Coed area. We would do it ourselves and are pretty handy with 'normal' DIY, woodwork, simple plumbing etc, but is installing the new cooker something we can safely do ourselves? Or can anyone find an electrician in this area?? Many thanks again!

got a mate in Colwyn Bay. he might cover betws.

 

[Katoli]

This is the current connection (no pun intended lol) which has been in place since before I bought this property 26 years ago. I had a new cooker delivered from a major high street retailer and they said they could not install it because the setting was "illegal". Is it worth my ordering a cooker with install from a different major retailer and see if they'll just install the cooker, or am I just going to come up against the same "illegal" issue? The grill and hobs of the cooker still work but the oven has packed up and Christmas lunch was cooked on a tiny little table top cooker (much smaller than a Baby Belling!) that only cooks one meal at a time! Am I really missing something (I expect so lol) but can't the new cooker just be installed by ourselves into the present fittings??

 

[Katoli]

got a mate in Colwyn Bay. he might cover betws.

Oh wow! Have you got his number?

 

[telectrix]

hang 5. pm on way.

 

[Des 56]

but can't the new cooker just be installed by ourselves into the present fittings??

Dim problem, you can install the new cooker yourself

If you do so it will be done without essential tests that can ensure safety before making the cooker live
There is no restriction on who can or can't connect a appliance,if you feel competent its your own decision

 

[ruston]

There's ELECTRICITY in North Wales? Blimey!

And a nuclear power station .

 

[Midwest]

The joint was covered with a piece of plywood, and then covered over with tiles.

I know...and it's not good.......but it's not plastered in the wall. How long ago was it done, was it a good connection and how long has it lasted? 25 years ago, I'd have used through crimps....so what?
What's wrong with ply....compared with timber and plasterboard?[/QUOTE]

Thing is, nobody knows do they. If I got some 'arching or sparking', where could it be happening, that's the issue with all these joints when there's a problem, like countless threads we've had here.

 

[NDG Elecs]

And a nuclear power station .

And an ugly house....
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And best of all a giant cock!
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