against the law or not?

[adzberry]

My employer is trying to persuade the apprentice to start doing DEICR's on his own as he has "watched me doing them for ages" where does the law stand on this?

And to answer any questions - this is one of many reasons I start with a new company in 2 weeks

 

[Bobster]

Is he competent?

 

[telectrix]

if he's competent to do them, happy and confident to do them, maybe. but he should make it clear that the company carry the can for any cock-ups.

 

[Sintra]

The boss must think so lol

 

[telectrix]

but the boss could be a muppet, just trying to get eicr's done on the cheap.

 

[oldtimer]

well no but when I was halfway through my third year my gaffer started putting me on my own jobs why because he saw potential and this brought me on so in my 4th year I was running decent I&C jobs and having to train domestic time served sparks plus the company made more money paying me apprentice wages and charging for a spark. I thought he was taking advantage of me at the time 30 years later its a case of give me the boy and I will make the man

 

[iconnect]

I ran jobs when I was a apprentice but asked for more money and got it lol I think every company does it to a certian degree

 

[ackbarthestar]

well no but when I was halfway through my third year my gaffer started putting me on my own jobs why because he saw potential and this brought me on so in my 4th year I was running decent I&C jobs and having to train domestic time served sparks plus the company made more money paying me apprentice wages and charging for a spark. I thought he was taking advantage of me at the time 30 years later its a case of give me the boy and I will make the man

Very true , but the first thing that went though my mind was: 'give me the boy and I will give you the Van (horse)' - not very fair and i can see why the OP has legged it.

Some of the apprentices I have worked with were 'hot to trot' - translated in this instance , they were good

 

[adzberry]

I know what you're saying as I ran jobs in my 3rd year of being an apprentice etc, but this apprentice is half way through year 1 and been on the tools for all of 9 months! Everything the company does is backwards and I don't want to be associated anymore! Another one he did was.... Telling a customer that the LED lights he's supplied are 'fire rated' as in an old cottage with exposed beams fire rated downlights wouldn't fit and it was near on impossible to fit fire hoods (this job was replacing downlights already wired, in a living room with living accommodation above) also I wasn't the spark doing the job, just heard him on the phone to a customer

 

[TaffyDuck]

Hellishly difficult to stand up in a court of law and prove competence without the requisite qualifications and experience. Nothing illegal but thinking someone is competent and proving they are are not the same thing.

 

[snowhead]

where does the law stand on this?

The Law doesn't care.

The HSE will however be very interested if anything goes wrong in the future that could have been highlighted on inspections he's done.

 

[Dcf]

The first job I did on my own was in my 2nd year dropped off in a housing scheme that was the roughest in my area by a country mile.at the time I thought he was taking advantage but now as old timer says it was a way of bringing you on to work on your own.
Saying that ther is no way an apprentice no matter how good has the experience to carry out inspections on his own.christ there are time served sparks who don't know one end of a Meter from another .your gaffer must need his head looked at if he thinks this is ok

 

[iconnect]

I was 3rd year first year you know F all to be honest

 

[Engineer54]

I think that all time served electricians have been given their own job, towards the end of their time. That doesn't mean that no-one was keeping an eye on your work!! It was the way of building confidence in yourself!!

No way on this earth should an apprentice be let loose testing on his own after just 9 months, that's just totally ridiculous, if not criminal (even if not lawfully.) This guy is still learning the basic fundamentals of electrical theory, let alone electrical work.

Your well out of it leaving in in 2 weeks, sooner or later, this boss is going to come a real cropper, and serves him right!!

 

[Silly Sausage]

Re original question, he should be allowed to do some I&T under supervision at the very least.

Your well out of it leaving in in 2 weeks, sooner or later, this boss is going to come a real cropper, and serves him right!!

But will this boss?
I somehow doubt it.