An Awful Feeling This

[IQ Electrical]

no its got to be the 2391, i have been looking through some previous exams tonight and i really need to get my head into the books and give this 110%

If someone else is funding this then yes, the 2392 is a stepping stone but if not, I wouldn't waste my money-you'll never see a job advert asking for 2392, the 2391-10 is where it's at!

 

[SirKit Breaker]

I think you are taking the failure personally.

I dont want to appear blunt or undermine your ability and knowledge, but i feel you have a bit of an ego problem. Quotes like "this is embarrasing" wont do your mind any good. We all forget, no one is expected to remember everything in this trade, and to be fair none of us will ever know it all.

The best of the best have failed the 2391, its difficult without enough preparation time. Its down to simple reading and understanding GN3, the terminology is key, and structuring your answers will help. the exam success book is very good.

As others have said GET INVOLVED ask, there are a hell of a lot of top quality sparks in here and between them will know all the answers and will want to help. I am fairly sure i wouldnt have got through 2391 without the help i got in here.

So all I can say, is get up, lick your wounds, eat your humble pie, AND GET STUCK BACK IN.:90:

Cheers...........Howard

 

[nickblake]

2391 is a difficult exam but you need concentrate by reading your posts i feel you are going in with a negative attitude not a good way to start an exam but you could also be going in with the over confident attitude too you need to get in with the relaxed but positive attitude and one thing is dont rush take your time and as has been said terminolgy get it right ,one thing i did spot you said and you corrected you will never no everything and you will continue learning even when you have passed think it was widdler has said you have only made a few posts this place is like your online class room so full of information ask questions get stuck in here and i bet you any money the guys on here will help you pass your exam , you did say in your originla post no lessons no lecturers well welcome to the classroom

 

[sparc]

From what you are saying it sounds to me that you know your stuff, but it's mainly 'exam technique' that's letting you down. That's what my old English language school teacher told me after I'd failed O level for the 4th time.

As Sir Kit and others here have pointed out already, terminology is key - here's what the last examiner's report highlighted:

Use of correct terminology

A surprising amount of candidates are using 16th edition terminology as well. It is a real shame to see this still happening as all the correct terminology and titles are clearly shown in BS7671:2008 and in Chapter four of GN3. This has been continually been reported on by the Chief Examiners since the introduction of the 17th Edition

Documentation

Many candidates displayed a considerable lack of understanding of the appropriate model forms shown in Appendix 6 of BS 7671 to be used in particular situations.
Correct titles of documents are required for this course; unfortunately incorrect titles are still appearing on scripts.

Examples of this include:
• Periodic Inspection Certificate
• Completion Certificate
• Electricity at Work Act
• Continuity Test / Tester
• Schedule of Tests

 

[Lucas123]

yeah second what Sir Kit Breaker posted i think i would have struggled without late nights on this forum just reading page after page of old threads put me in the right frame of mind when coming to terminologies and the general C&G way of thinking.

There are some top people on here not just knowledgeable incredibly helpful

one little trick i done was copied GN3 out by hand on same down as exam always found this helped at school seemed to take it in a bit more just a technique that worked for me

 

[Mr Mike]

yeah second what Sir Kit Breaker posted i think i would have struggled without late nights on this forum just reading page after page of old threads put me in the right frame of mind when coming to terminologies and the general C&G way of thinking.

There are some top people on here not just knowledgeable incredibly helpful

one little trick i done was copied GN3 out by hand on same down as exam always found this helped at school seemed to take it in a bit more just a technique that worked for me

Super tip Lucas, the more effort one puts in, the more you get out.

 

[Chr!s]

Which part are you failing ?

Written or Practical?

Chris

 

[bluestar]

i passed mine sat the march paper i seem to struggle with course work but sai, through the exams,
1 piece of advice to bear in mind your looking for about 95 marks to pass this is easily achievable you want to be looking at 45 - 50 marks for the first part and at least 60 for the second
each question on the second part is worth 15 marks so you are looking to get 3/4`s of each question right
the first part 20 questions 3 points per question your looking for 2 per question
past papers just look at 1 or 2 or perhaps 3
the answers are all in the gn3 no tricks no catch u outs
just read it 1 chapter at a time

 

[gap30]

I am doing the test on the 11th August, i had the option of doing it in october but i went for the earlier one, i know the timescale is tight but i will have to get my head in the books and study hard, i go into panic mode every time i read the guidance notes lol

 

[gap30]

Which part are you failing ?

Written or Practical?

Chris

its the written part i can do the practical side very easy

 

[brucelee]

HI mate

C&G want everything worded correctly to the regs, GN3

Exam success will help you understand what they are afte just keep going through that
reading GN3 over and over
practice drawing earth fault loop diagrams for all systems TT,TN-C-S,TN-S,IT
learn how to write all test procedures in bullet points with and without diagrams
and for continuity of ring final circuit conductors the 3 step test write it out with calcs for different stages
read GS38
memorandum of guidance on electricity at work regs
practice calculations for resistance in different size cable
calculater Volt drop from resistance and include increase in resisitance due to operating temp
get loads of sample papers and questions
there are some good threads on this in general section by amberleaf section 301 thread
there are laods look in inspection and testing section

Mate I passed june last year out of 10 of us 4 passed and i was only 1 not working in the industry not surprising when some of them were turning up saying havnt read GN3 ??? and the country pass rate was 39% so our class was same almost 4 out of 10
I wanted it bad and was prepared to sit there from end jan until exam in june studying at home upto 12hrs every day apart from dog walking lol and caring for the mrs as I am a Carer

i made sure that i had done all i could and passed with much relief

keep at it mate any questions post them up someone will help

I used over 400 pages of A4 paper studying at home and when i did the course 8 week evenings 3 hrs a week found most of the stuff he covered i had learned myself
they dont cover everything on the courses as there isnt time its down to you
also BUy Christopher Kitchers guide to inspectio and testing as he explains it in english lol
but remember C&G want the terminlogy of the regs so GN3 is king about 80% of exam based on this

Oh and read parts 6 and 7 regs as the special location questions come up loads like which 3 special locations has zones
what is a 300mArcd for or a 500mA

mate all i acn say is read and read and write and study thats the only way read whatC&G chief examinor has wrote in his report as he tells you areas candidates still failing in

so you can practice these areas as they are guaranteed to come up again if people struggled

GOOD LUCK MATE YOU CAN DO IT

 

[gap30]

Cheers mate, i had a look at the exam success book today, its a very good book and very informative - i now have just under 5 weeks to get my head around all of this, its a lot of information to absorb and i am going to give it 110%

 

[brucelee]

just go through the sample papers in it then compare to the answers in the back do it under test conditions by keeping to the time limit which you will find is easy as the first 20 Questions are simply either a 1 word answer or a couple of words not more than a sentence exam success explains this

the last 6 questions require more in depth answers
from a couple of words , sentence or paragraph or complete test procedure
for the test procedures if its a 15 mark answer go into more depth
like 15 bullet points
inc seeking permission to isolate, locate ,switch off lock of and prove dead etc
make sure for test procedures call the test instruments by correct names
such as using a approved GS38 voltage indicator and proving unit or known supply
low resistance ohmeter for continuity tests
insulation resistance tester set to
a earth fault loop impedence tester
A Prospective fault current tester or the prospective fault current function of a earth fault loop impedence tester I think exam success says its also ok to just say a suitable PFC tester
a suitable RCD tester
a earth electrode resistance tester which is used for testing earth rods etc
just make sure its whats wrote in GN3 OR BS7671 and learn there operating ranges as this comes up

keep studying mate 5 weeks is plenty if you put enough hrs in

 

[La Poste]

Do past papers, past papers and then more past papers.
Unless you write it down you will never remember it.
Trust me I know, I forget stuff as soon as I read it.
And put the time in to do past papers, try one a night, if that's too much try one section a night you know twenty short questions or the long six questions, that's proper studying.
Maintain that and it's plain sailing.
At least that's what I'm hoping.

 

[gap30]

i have a few past papers but i dont have the answers so i cannot refer back to check if my answers are correct

i started revising tonight at 8.30 and just finished now, up at 6 for work:frown2: