Another bad landlord

[Jon Bateson]

Landlord has completely disregarded my EICR because it basically has resulted in multiple C1 and C2plus a plethora of fi c3 and general comments. He told me not to quote for remedial work as a friend would rewire it. Six weeks on and working next door the family came out assuming I was there to begin remedial work. Landlord has told them my testing showed no problems??? I know I’ve fulfilled my responsibilities as an inspector but feel the need to raise this as an issue with someone Local authorities not interested so is it worth involving HSE ? Someone’s going to be hurt

 

[James]

The landlord surely cant ger annoyed if he gave the tenants a copy?
I always inform our tenants they can request a free copy and if they do we have to provide it to them

If someone gives you an order for a report with promise of payment in return, the contents of that report do not belong to you, they belong to the person who ordered it. ownership of the report and its contents passes to them upon payment, where both parties contractual agreements have been fulfilled.

The landlord has a legal requirement to keep the electrical installation in a safe condition.
probably also a contractual obligation to keep it in a working condition.

Rather than giving away a copy of the report to the tenants, I would have had a word with them and pointed out that you have found some faults, shown them the items that you thought were serious enough for immediate concern.

It might sound trivial but if the tenants want a copy and the landlord has not given you permission to share it, you should not provide them with a copy.

However there is nothing stopping you from encouraging them to order there own electrical report, this would have a different date and a different serial number.
you are free to negotiate any price you like with them, I might be tempted to charge a fairly nominal fee of £1
p.s. they payed it in cash!!!

 

[buzzlightyear]

now this kangaroo is finished are all in agreement to hang the landlord ,say I.now

 

[The Ghost]

It is very clear in the regs it shall be issued to the person ordering the work. It would be entirely reasonable if the tenants were not satisfied with the LLs' statement that there are no faults to order their own report and as @James the Spark1976 suggests a small fee to readdress the report and findings to their name and address.

 

[Deleted member 72666]

Quote: "Six weeks on and working next door the family came out assuming I was there to begin remedial work. Landlord has told them my testing showed no problems???"

Did you inform the tenants of you findings at the time for them to assume you were there to begin remedials?

 

[pirate]

In Scotland, EICR has to be copied to tenant, same with gas certificate, legionella risk assessment...

 

[James]

In Scotland, EICR has to be copied to tenant, same with gas certificate, legionella risk assessment...

GOOD POINT, in England, gas cert has to be left on site. as far as I know there is no requirement to do the same with EICR.
This is a shame in my opinion.
we have a moral obligation to inform tenants of our findings, but no legal stature to back it up with.

 

[pirate]

Always left EICR, gas cert, legionella risk assessment and copy of PA Test results, plus tenant signed receipt for these items and any disclaimers too. It was an integral part of the Tenant Pack.

 

[magnoliafan89]

If someone gives you an order for a report with promise of payment in return, the contents of that report do not belong to you, they belong to the person who ordered it. ownership of the report and its contents passes to them upon payment, where both parties contractual agreements have been fulfilled.

The landlord has a legal requirement to keep the electrical installation in a safe condition.
probably also a contractual obligation to keep it in a working condition.

Rather than giving away a copy of the report to the tenants, I would have had a word with them and pointed out that you have found some faults, shown them the items that you thought were serious enough for immediate concern.

It might sound trivial but if the tenants want a copy and the landlord has not given you permission to share it, you should not provide them with a copy.

However there is nothing stopping you from encouraging them to order there own electrical report, this would have a different date and a different serial number.
you are free to negotiate any price you like with them, I might be tempted to charge a fairly nominal fee of £1
p.s. they payed it in cash!!!

They can ask the landlord for a copy of the EICR.

 

[James]

They can ask the landlord for a copy of the EICR.

of course they can, however I don't believe there is any legal requirement for them to provide it.
they could just reply saying that everything is fine and it tested ok.
morally wrong, but if nobody is injured, its a civil issue, not a criminal one?
I DONT MAKE THE RULES, just try to interpret them.

 

[magnoliafan89]

of course they can, however I don't believe there is any legal requirement for them to provide it.
they could just reply saying that everything is fine and it tested ok.
morally wrong, but if nobody is injured, its a civil issue, not a criminal one?
I DONT MAKE THE RULES, just try to interpret them.

Our company has always said that if any tenant requests a copy we HAVE to provide one

 

[Risteard]

The landlord surely cant ger annoyed if he gave the tenants a copy?
I always inform our tenants they can request a free copy and if they do we have to provide it to them

They absolutely can get annoyed as it is confidential between them and the contractor.

 

[FatAlan]

Is the let managed by a letting agent? If so you could find out from the tenants who the agent is and give them the heads up. Bound to be some breach of contact in there in respect of safety.

 

[FatAlan]

And if you pull out the main fuse and simply walk off you will likely be in trouble for theft or criminal damage ?

I suppose you could put warning tape all over the fuse box and a sign saying ‘condemned do not use’ and take a picture of it

Theft & Criminal Damage ...no chance. Protecting the occupants from death or serious injury would be a bloody good defence in my books.

 

[StephenRowley]

This thread demonstrates precisely why introducing mandatory EICRs for rental properties is a complete waste of time and money

Depends if the legislation has the theeth to deal with both bad landlord and anyone professional who don't carry out proper ERIC

 

[Dustydazzler]

Aren’t Erics soon going to be compulsory on all rental properties?

No Eric no rentie