Another bad landlord

[Jon Bateson]

Landlord has completely disregarded my EICR because it basically has resulted in multiple C1 and C2plus a plethora of fi c3 and general comments. He told me not to quote for remedial work as a friend would rewire it. Six weeks on and working next door the family came out assuming I was there to begin remedial work. Landlord has told them my testing showed no problems??? I know I’ve fulfilled my responsibilities as an inspector but feel the need to raise this as an issue with someone Local authorities not interested so is it worth involving HSE ? Someone’s going to be hurt

 

[Octopus]

GOOD POINT, in England, gas cert has to be left on site. as far as I know there is no requirement to do the same with EICR.
This is a shame in my opinion.
we have a moral obligation to inform tenants of our findings, but no legal stature to back it up with.

That's because there is no requirement to do EICR's in England

 

[SRM]

That's because there is no requirement to do EICR's in England

GN3 Page 13 ‘Landlord and Tenant Act 1985’
States landlord shall keep in repair and proper working order the installations in the house for water, gas and electricity.
Doing an EICR and rectifying the at the very least dangerous bits would surely cover the landlord. I’d like to see a landlord in court trying to explain why he/she did not follow the recommendations of an EICR and complying with the above act.

 

[Simon47]

As a landlord, this sort of thing (carefully avoids triggering the profanity filter) "really annoys me". Most of the red tape we have to deal with can be traced back to toerags like this LL.
As to all the comments about the landlords' duty to maintain a safe property - but that really doesn't do much "unless something bad happens". One the one hand, if (say) someone got electrocuted then the LL will well and truly stuffed with no get-out - but that's cold comfort for the people involved.
And if the LL is like this, then I can well imagine that they would be open to a revenge eviction - putting the tenants in a difficult position in terms of getting things fixed. If they push it, they risk getting a S21 notice; if they don't then they have to live with dangerous electrics.
It could be useful if the tenants got evidence that the landlord says it's all OK - whether that's asking his by text and getting an answer, or email, or a recording of a conversation. Then if they were to get their own EICR from the OP showing that the electrics are dangerous, then they stand a reasonable chance of getting the council to take interest.

But at the end of the day, perhaps the tenants need to consider whether they want to carry on living in a property with a LL like that. Painful (and potentially expensive) though that decision might be to make.
Unfortunately for tenants, the landlords have the upper hand in most areas - there being more tenant demand than properties to meet it. So moving may not be an easy option.

 

[Des 56]

GN3 Page 13 ‘Landlord and Tenant Act 1985’
States landlord shall keep in repair and proper working order the installations in the house for water, gas and electricity.
Doing an EICR and rectifying the at the very least dangerous bits would surely cover the landlord. I’d like to see a landlord in court trying to explain why he/she did not follow the recommendations of an EICR and complying with the above act.

A Eicr is one way of monitoring the safety of a installation
A maintenance programme using in house personnel would be another

If a landlord were to possess his own electrical competence I would suppose he can decide himself whether he is carrying out his duty of care and maybe have no need or care for a eicr

 

[Baddegg]

Aren’t Erics soon going to be compulsory on all rental properties?

No Eric no rentie
Yep I anticipate sparks doing 22 a day......

 

[FatAlan]

Must admit that I prefer ERICs but they may end up going for ERNIEs

 

[Farmelectrics]

had similar myself not alot you can do do as long as youve been paid crack on with the next one

 

[Charlie_]

A section from our housing regulations here in the iom.

 

[Simon47]

All very well, but there's a gap between having an EICR done and acting on the results. That seems to be the issue here.

 

[Andrew Hunter]

We as electricians have absolutely no power to disconnect an unsafe installation

Heck there could be a live cable poking out the wall and we still aren’t legally allowed to disconnect supply

Just make a note and move on

Sorry i totally disagree with you statement here. If you saw someone lying in the middle of the road which you know is going to become very busy and therefor vary dangerous would you just make a note and move on. No! as a human being we all have a duty of care to one another to try to prevent harm. We as electricians have the privalidge to have the knowledge to foresee such potential dangers and if as in a C1 catogarization of a fault within an installation we do have the power to isolate that circuit, infact i would go further to say it is your responsability to isolate and notyfy whoever is responsable. we do not have the power however to enforce the circuit remain isolated and thus if you even remotly suspect that it may be the case that a landlord or even a home owner will switch it back on and continue the use of it even why informed of the dangers then such notification should be presented with it recorded ias in an EICR and noted that you have isolated said danger and informed person responsable.
I find it hard to believe that if you have informed a local authority "that you have found such issues" and "have concerns for a family with children present about the landlords integraty" that they do not carry out a safety inspection of some sort, or is this just in the London area that it is done?

 

[magnoliafan89]

This is why i love my job. Whenever i do periodics any c1 or c2 or any other problems im told to rectify them there and then or make safe and go back the following day.....also means when i come across D.I.Y daves shoddy electrical work they have no choice but to watch me disconnect and rip it out.

 

[Jon Bateson]

This is why i love my job. Whenever i do periodics any c1 or c2 or any other problems im told to rectify them there and then or make safe and go back the following day.....also means when i come across D.I.Y daves shoddy electrical work they have no choice but to watch me disconnect and rip it out.

Hey magnolia. Also owe you an apology for being an overworked overwhelmed c?(k the other day. Sorry sparks

 

[magnoliafan89]

Hey magnolia. Also owe you an apology for being an overworked overwhelmed c?(k the other day. Sorry sparks

Water under the bridge my friend.

 

[Lister1987]

Tenants can use the rather new The Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation) Act 2018 and force remedial work to be done. This came about in light of Grenfell and the shower of ---- HMO.

In short they take the landlord to court and they would then have to defend why the think it acceptable to force thier tenant to live with C1s