Another Nagy production covers controversy subject

[Dustydazzler]

3rd part work / certification of A another’s job (skip the intro start at 2min45)

 

[JK-Electrical]

Doesn’t he swear a lot in front of camera, even in front of luscious Laura.

Aye .... there is no need for all that ******* swearing.

 

[Toneyz]

I watched it yesterday and thought to myself he has got the 3rd party wrong. What he was doing was taking over someone else unfinished work he has no input into the existing design.

 

[Toneyz]

Aye .... there is no need for all that ******* swearing.

Is she his G/F partner?

 

[static zap]

Aye .... there is no need for all that ******* swearing.

Coffee is a stimulant ,and with that "competitive" London life ,he needs some form of release !
(Cameras everywhere these days ?)

 

[Bellendian]

I've had this scenario a couple of times.
1st time I think I posted the q on here, but 1st fix was done, place boarded out and plastered. Wires in wrong places, all seemed sketchy. On that occasion said EICR is all I'd sign. They found another who would provide EIC and notify.
A more recent job, 1st fix 75% done, but I was able to see cable runs etc, on this occasion happy to issue EIC.
Can't see any point whatsover in pulling out cable, just to pull in new in the same place!

 

[Risteard]

In a previous video about a year ago he finished off a half complete builders rewire and took on the job as his own work....

He is happy and so is his cps by the looks

I am pretty sure I can say definitively that they most certainly would not be happy with it. The reality is that Warwick House have better things to do than watch his videos all day, so it probably hasn't come to their attention. However I would expect that they would act upon it were it reported to them.

 

[Risteard]

3rd party certification to one side, there should be a system in place to officially resolve such situations. Electricians pass away, companies go under or are in dispute, i.e. there is a good reason why the original installer cannot finish or sign the certificate.

In the south of Ireland there is a procedure in place to deal with precisely these types of issues so that a DSO supply can be obtained.

This is the Change of Contractor procedure. The person responsible for the installation applies for a Change of Contractor to RECI with the details of the installing contractor and the new contractor. If the details of the installing contractor are filled in as "unknown" then the Report Illegal Works procedure is automatically invoked.

RECI will contact the original contractor to establish why the job has not been completed/certified, and will then authorise the new contractor to complete and certify the installation. Only after written permission has been received can works begin.

The new contractor will complete the job, carry out Pre-Connection Tests and send an Inspection Request form to RECI. RECI will then send out one of their Inspectors to carry out initial verification again with the Registered Electrical Contractor (REC), and compare results to the Test Record Sheet.

If there are non-compliances then an additional Inspection will be mandated. Each of these Inspections will cost €250 (in addition to the contractor's time).

Once RECI are happy they will authorise the new contractor to submit a Completion Certificate for the job. Once the job has been energised by the DSO (ESB) then the contractor will return to carry out Post-Connection Tests.

It is a serious disciplinary offence (which can result in dismissal/de-registration) to certify anyone else's job without specific written authority from RECI.

 

[JK-Electrical]

I personally wouldn't even contemplate signing-off on work that I myself hadn't designed and installed. In my view, the risk far outweighs any gain, particularly so when the wiring that can be seen has been badly done. In such circumstances I'd be deeply concerned about the wiring that cannot be seen. I would walk away.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I know this is a bit of a contentious subject but I honestly don’t have any issue with what TN is doing.
There must be 100s , possibly 1000s of jobs just like this come up every year.
Half finished work is pretty common.
If TN is confidence in his own abilities to assess and finish a half finished job then all good

 

[Risteard]

I know this is a bit of a contentious subject but I honestly don’t have any issue with what TN is doing.
There must be 100s , possibly 1000s of jobs just like this come up every year.
Half finished work is pretty common.
If TN is confidence in his own abilities to assess and finish a half finished job then all good

Why should he be exempt from the NICEIC Rules for Enrolment that the rest of us have to adhere to though?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Why should he be exempt from the NICEIC Rules for Enrolment that the rest of us have to adhere to though?

You honestly think they will kick everyone out who finishes off a half complete job ?

 

[Risteard]

You honestly think they will kick everyone out who finishes off a half complete job ?

Frankly they should kick people out who don't adhere to the rules. Natural justice demands it.

The issue is with him certifying someone else's work. As I alluded to, he could report on the existing wiring and only certify his own work.

 

[Nigel]

His approach to safe isolation and the most basic of health and safety leaves a lit to be desired also.

 

[Bellendian]

Frankly they should kick people out who don't adhere to the rules. Natural justice demands it.

The issue is with him certifying someone else's work. As I alluded to, he could report on the existing wiring and only certify his own work.

I spoke to my scheme about this. Their policy was straightforward. You sign the paperwork, you take ownership in whole. Therefore 3rd party doesn't come into it.
But the onus is on you the contractor to satisfy yourself that all is well before taking on that responsibility.
As had been mentioned earlier, plenty of firms out there with labourers pulling in cables. Cheap labour don't sign it off, the QS does, and by doing so takes responsibility for ensuring that the work has been adequately supervised and standards are maintained.
I don't believe it's an issue of breaking rules, more one of being very aware of what you are taking on.
If your business model was doing part P notifications for any old character for a fee, without doing any work on the install whatsoever then I guess you might come unstuck....eventually.

 

[static zap]

We just need parts that time stamp themselves ,for
those bad Friday afternoon decisions....
(Extra-inspection required) .