Apprentices and Knives

[Jimmy Boy]

I have been working last couple weeks with a SE spark right nice bloke who has an apprentice...Guess what HE is NOT allowed to use a knife at college ? HAS this world gone FKN mad ? So he can go off and join the Army or have Sex but he can't ring a bit of SWA ?...Just gonna nut the door !

J

 

[Guest111]

On the other hand how about this one,a few years ago an intruder entered our home and attacked my wife ,being in another room I heard the noise and grabbed my asp (extendable baton) from the drawer.I fought off the intruder with a few strikes of the baton in the manner I was trained,however when the police turned up and heard the story they said I should have used a large kitchen knife to defend myself as it was ok to posess a knife but not a baton.I then asked them which one was more likely to provide a fatal injury bearing in mind I was trained with a baton,and the fact that its very difficult to be selective with a knife whilst fighting an intruder.They thought I was being difficult ffs.

 

[alarm man]

I have prepared a small document to assist forum members on the law regarding carrying bladed articles, this should not be relied on as legal defence but as a guide.

copy and paste you mean,,oliceman: tho it doesnt just apply to knives,my mate got stopped for speeding,which quickly went to having an offensive weapon as he had a terminal on the passenger seat,took some explaining he was on his way back from a callout,this appliies to all tools that maybe to hand,if your like me i have allsorts of tools/drivers on the dash on the seat etc,its a strange law but you could be pulled up for it,all tools must be in the back,time i cleaned my van out

 

[Adam W]

I expect their point was that you bought the kitchen knife for cutting up food, and may have redeployed it to fend off an intruder, whereas there aren't many other reasons for owning an asp other than for hitting people with. It seems like the same sort of argument against owning a gun 'for protection', ie you've bought it with the specific intention of shooting someone, which isn't on.

Imagine walking to the shop in your lunch break with a pocketfull of screwdrivers - a policeman stops you and asks you why you've got them; the answer he wants to hear is "I'm an electrician and I use them for work", and not "for protection", although if someone tried to mug you it may be some defence to say you used whatever you had to hand in the situation.

 

[Jimmy Boy]

copy and paste you mean,,oliceman:

It was an edited part of a much larger document that I had to 'prepare' in to a smaller document actually smarty pants

J

 

[Guest111]

I expect their point was that you bought the kitchen knife for cutting up food, and may have redeployed it to fend off an intruder, whereas there aren't many other reasons for owning an asp other than for hitting people with. It seems like the same sort of argument against owning a gun 'for protection', ie you've bought it with the specific intention of shooting someone, which isn't on.

Imagine walking to the shop in your lunch break with a pocketfull of screwdrivers - a policeman stops you and asks you why you've got them; the answer he wants to hear is "I'm an electrician and I use them for work", and not "for protection", although if someone tried to mug you it may be some defence to say you used whatever you had to hand in the situation.

Agreed mate but the point was if I had stabbed him then it would have been me who would of ended up in court even though we were the victims,police round here have gone daft at the moment,got pulled up the other day,first time in over ten years for driving an unmarked police car ffs its a white volvo with the clear strobes that light up amber and a dashcam for when some idiot pulls out on me.

 

[Guitarist]

What did they say about the amber strobes?

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Well I am in 3 different custody suites tomorrow and will have various stanley knives about my person, and an angle grinder and drill bits, hole saws, cutters, woodsaws....

 

[SPARTYKUS]

My grandad (royal marine, admirals bodyguard in WW2) always had a crowbar behind his seat in case he needed it to free someone from a damaged car, etc (he was a firefighter too after marines). Was told this was a good enough reason to have it there to 'hand'


Mind he was so big he wouldnt have needed a crowbar for anything

 

[Engineer54]

When i first started out as an Apprentice, we were all issued a complete tool set in a canvas tool bag for use in the factory, and a second kit, for use at the companies training school for practical work. All tools were inspected regularly and you paid for any that were lost etc. A lot of it was of the all insulated type, but i'm pretty dammed sure there was an insulated handle Stanley type knife in the factory kit, as well as a couple of other specialised knifes.

I dread to think what the modern HSE Herbert's etc would think of some of the old working practices i was officially taught during those years. But notice i did state ''Working'' practices, that's because they DID work!! Going back to Knifes, we were taught, there is only two instances of knife being dangerous, one's a blunt knife!! Ask any butcher or artisan, that uses knifes of every type and description on a daily basis!!! The other is a knife in the hands of an untrained person trying to perform a skilled task.... Knifes are sharp for a reason, the job they are specifically designed for, ...is to to cut and/or slice, a given material with minimum effort....

 

[RogertheBodger]

Well I am in 3 different custody suites tomorrow and will have various stanley knives about my person, and an angle grinder and drill bits, hole saws, cutters, woodsaws....

You shouldn't have too much trouble escaping then lol.

If I remember rightly, the 911 hi-jackers used Stanley knives to gain access to the flight decks, so they haven't been the flavor of the month for quite some time.

 

[Philpot]

I just Googled " Accidents caused by Stanley Knifes" There is loads of very useful info but I couldn't resists this one.

Do have look, it just shows how dangerous they can be.

One-night stand man wakes to find lover has carved her name into his arm | Mail Online

 

[Adam W]

police round here have gone daft at the moment,got pulled up the other day,first time in over ten years for driving an unmarked police car ffs its a white volvo with the clear strobes that light up amber and a dashcam for when some idiot pulls out on me.

It makes you wonder how they can approve this tat then.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Philpot

Looked at that, nasty!

Good looking though.





Bloke!

 

[alli]

I just Googled " Accidents caused by Stanley Knifes" There is loads of very useful info but I couldn't resists this one.

Do have look, it just shows how dangerous they can be.

One-night stand man wakes to find lover has carved her name into his arm | Mail Online

Maybe its just me, but if your going on the pull wouldn't you want to remember it!! Vodka and valium sound like what you should take on your wedding night, and every night after! :wink_smile:

 

[Guest111]

What did they say about the amber strobes?

Just wanted to know what I wanted them for,told them that I like to be seen when dealing with any accidents that I come across,showed him all the other kit in the back and he just walked off.bit sick I think,cause my kits better than some of there,s.