approved contractor top dogs????

[RichardMoore]

I've been brought upto to think that the best electricians were all niceic approved contractors. None of this elecsa or napit ********. I often thought that most electricians would love to try and become one but it seems that most people out there just think these scheme are a rip off and choose the cheapest option to me being a approved contractor should be about being the best and most professional you can be. I recently joined this scheme and was massively dismayed at how commercial the Niceic has become. it was easy to get in as long as I paid the money. I was well prepared for the assessment trying to impress.i was all out to show what I was about the assessor I feel didn't scrintise enough but he passed me like I was just another part p Electrical Trainee. am only 28 is this the industry I love on the decline???? What can be done about its breaking my heart!!!!

 

[Knobhead]

Was it not the NIC who invented the term 'Domestic Installer'

Oh dear, I can see this getting messy.

Doesn't make the NIC out as good arbitors of standards does it?

 

[Guest55]

Oh dear, I can see this getting messy.

Doesn't make the NIC out as good arbitors of standards does it?

hmmm , gives me an idea for a new sig......

 

[shagbite]

Just saw the post about JIB Cards.
Producing your jib card in order to get registered isn't a bad idea. Except for those of us who did an indentured apprenticeship many years ago before the jib got to say who can do what and who can't. I've got my own issue with them as they will not upgrade my card from installation electrician to approved electrician .

This is because they no longer recognize the 2400.

Apparently I have to go and take more qualifications I don't need. Pay more money.....yet again. Even though I have the c course on top of that. Progress eh

whoever told you that is pulling your plums mate. the 2400 is just as valid as it's ever been.

normally, you need a level 3 testing qualification to get an approved grading (2391 or 2394/2395).

2400 is the qualification you need to get a technician's grading.

 

[dcelectrical]

when I wanted to get my scam membership I approached the niceic and was told I needed two jobs that were signed off - boxing clever I said "but I ain't got two jobs i'm just starting out" - the assessor then advised me to find two tidy installs and to pass them off as my own.
NAPIT and proud, they advised me to build a rig in my garage and they would assess me from that, went through my paperwork and left me alone.

as to getting any work from being a member or being on the trustmark website - forget it, its a nice pretty logo and some customers like the look of it, so from a marketing perspective it's lovely.

 

[Guest55]

when I wanted to get my scam membership I approached the niceic and was told I needed two jobs that were signed off - boxing clever I said "but I ain't got two jobs i'm just starting out" - the assessor then advised me to find two tidy installs and to pass them off as my own.
NAPIT and proud, they advised me to build a rig in my garage and they would assess me from that, went through my paperwork and left me alone.

as to getting any work from being a member or being on the trustmark website - forget it, its a nice pretty logo and some customers like the look of it, so from a marketing perspective it's lovely.

no offence to yourself but thats so ridiculous its laughable.

nic freely accepts fake assessment of someone elses jobs -
why do the jobs they assess you on need to be already notified ?
it makes no difference to the actual electrical work itself ?
why couldnt they allow you to notify the jobs after your membership had commenced is beyond me.....

then napit suggest a poxy diy rig as a means of confirming membership suitability

you really couldnt make this up could you.
well , so long as the cheque clears , thats the main thing.

 

[dcelectrical]

can't we just give the forum 100 notes a year and they can start their own scam, just sent the customer a nice note saying that their friendly sparks has just put details of what a frugal tight wad they are on the site and also include pictures of customers wives (not that I've seen any worth picturing)

 

[PEG]

Membership could be along similar lines to the old Japanese motorcycle licence requirements,memership ONLY to those who can lift their missus above their head. I can do it,but am i strong or is she skinny? :lips:

 

[Welchyboy1]

Thewhole thing is getting pointless now, and has totally lost my respect

just the words part p make my toes curl, im at the brink of not actually bothering to notify any jobs at all, whats the point in it all?


(Will still be testing and certing tho

 

[Amp David]

Isn't any point. The ones i've not bothered with have never ever been pulled. But then again, as in my other post, only take cash for jobs that are less than 600 quid, so no way they're getting notified to scam. Paper trail and all that:44:

 

[Guitarist]

Unfortunately, I have to agree that there seems no penalty for people not notifying work. Nearly every job I see will have had notifiable work carried out in the last few years, yet there's not even any testing paperwork on most, let alone a notification certificate.
I honestly don't think that the authorities have a clue how much work is done by DIY'ers/Builders/plumbers/pretend electricians.
I really do feel like I'm the only mug who bothers following the rules most of the time, and what do the power-that-be do about it? They couldn't care less.

 

[Engineer54]

The NICEIC are not Totally to blame, Part P has dragged the standards down NICEIC have had to move with it or they would have no members, in my opinion they make it a little harder to join than the others like I said you need 2 completed jobs for them the others let you do it as you go along. Yes I agree and remember when it was hard to become approved contractor now anyone can, at 21 you have lots to learn getting there in you late twenties

Are they NOT?? So who endorses many of these fast track and ultra fast track training centres then?? At the very same time as passing themselves off as being the bee's knees of professionalism and flying the safety flag at every opportunity. Oh you're dead right about them changing with the times, but that to them, has nothing to do with maintaining standards, it only means, how can we squeeze more money out of these suckers!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

i was talking to Tony Cable at the recent elex show over in manchester

so i asked him why it was that local authority`s still insisted on NIC registration..
his answer....caus we`v been leaning on em for the past 30 years...

 

[ttsucks]

True, they do recognize it for technician status, however they won't let me jump to technician without without going through approved first. They told me I have to get the 2391 or whatever it is now. Basically telling me I have to go backwards in order to go forwards, seems a tad absurd to me.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

True, they do recognize it for technician status, however they won't let me jump to technician without without going through approved first. They told me I have to get the 2391 or whatever it is now. Basically telling me I have to go backwards in order to go forwards, seems a tad absurd to me.

and here`s the punchline..
they are telling you how to go about it...

i`d tell them where to go about it...

 

[Engineer54]

True, they do recognize it for technician status, however they won't let me jump to technician without without going through approved first. They told me I have to get the 2391 or whatever it is now. Basically telling me I have to go backwards in order to go forwards, seems a tad absurd to me.

This as far as i can see, is one of the long standing problems with the JIB, one area office wanting or applying different criteria from another. I'd go higher up the ladder to get a decision. As far as i'm aware they can't apply things in retrospect, so if you had 2400 at the relevant time they can't then ask for a latter qualification etc....