Are we killing the apprenticeship route into the industry?

[Guest123]

Chaps,

It is the site sponsors that help keep the forum going.

If it wasnt for them you wouldnt have anywhere to go, to be a part of a great community.

If it wasn't for us "members" there would be no forum for these agencies to advertise on.

Are you championing their underhand methods of stating that there are thousands of jobs available and that you can easily earn £50,000

I understand the whole sponsorship angle, doesn't mean we have to sing their praises just because thay pay to be on here.

No-one is bigger than the forum and the forum isn't bigger than anyone of it's members.


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I rest my case.

 

[Mac]

not exactly what I heard, i assumed it would continue like 2360 pt 1 did, part 1 had prob 30% practical but part 2 had none, why not scrap nvqs and have a lot more practical at college?

Disagree mate,working in a bay is nothing like doing it on site.I did my AM1,AM2,doesn't compare to doing it on site.Your in a little square box doing all this practical,IMO,doesn't compare to actually doing it on site.That is where you learn the trade,not in a college

 

[Dave]

Ben..is that a sponsor link or just one you got from google..?

 

[boatnik1]

Lenny:- LOL, Dave will be after you. Yesterday he questioned where any sponsors were advertiseing such as the ad you have reproduced which I had refered to in a post.

Dave it's a link displayed on most of the forum pages

 

[Dave]

Lenny:- LOL, Dave will be after you. Yesterday he questioned where any sponsors were advertiseing such as the ad you have reproduced which I had refered to in a post.

I'm not after anyone...i want to know if a sponsor is quoting that...simple as that so don't post silly remarks thank you..

Dave it's a link displayed on most of the forum pages

Is it a google advert or sponsor banner....not hard to answer,,?

 

[Guest123]

It's just a random add from the side of the page.

Forum ethics aside now mate, as a professional tradesman these agencies also do 5 day tiling courses do you not feel they fly in the face of everything the time served chap has achieved during his time??

I'm just interested in other peoples views is all.

 

[boatnik1]

Seems to be a google link.

 

[montybaber]

Disagree mate,working in a bay is nothing like doing it on site.I did my AM1,AM2,doesn't compare to doing it on site.Your in a little square box doing all this practical,IMO,doesn't compare to actually doing it on site.That is where you learn the trade,not in a college

And how does that compare with completing 2330 l2+3 and then having to go out on your own? the issue is with the shortage of apprenticeships site experience is becoming very sparse for new members to the industry surely more practical on the 2330 courses wouldnt be a bad thing?

The basics of domestic wiring testing etc can be taught in a bay and is, expansion on this is surely beneficial.

I would love to see every new sparx coming through the traditional route but im afraid thats cloud cuckoo land! almost every new member on here is in the same boat and we need to address this and stop being so judgemental, the short courses for mature students and the 2330 (only) is sadly the norm nowadays and it appears to me that most people are mre enthusiastic towards the industry than most apprentices I have ever met.

I wonder if you told your apprentice that he had to study his course at weekends and pay for the course himself i suspect he/she will not be amused, I admire the new blood in the sparky world as they work twice as hard, pay twice as much and endure twice the ridicule!

Please remember time served sparks you didnt have it so bad

 

[Mac]

please bring back the old apprenticeships

 

[Dave]

OK..So it's not a sponsor and just a google advert that flicks up on the forums....

So NOTHING to do with our sponsors...so are we all clear that we do not condone those remarks towards sponsors and they do NOT quote that you can earn those silly prices if you train with them...

Any google adverts are NOT assoiciated with the sparky forums sponsors , they are just adverts simple as that, you can discuss what you want lads but do not tar the sponsors with the same brush...

thanks lads..

 

[Mac]

And how does that compare with completing 2330 l2+3 and then having to go out on your own? the issue is with the shortage of apprenticeships site experience is becoming very sparse for new members to the industry surely more practical on the 2330 courses wouldnt be a bad thing?

The basics of domestic wiring testing etc can be taught in a bay and is, expansion on this is surely beneficial.

I would love to see every new sparx coming through the traditional route but im afraid thats cloud cuckoo land! almost every new member on here is in the same boat and we need to address this and stop being so judgemental, the short courses for mature students and the 2330 (only) is sadly the norm nowadays and it appears to me that most people are mre enthusiastic towards the industry than most apprentices I have ever met.

I wonder if you told your apprentice that he had to study his course at weekends and pay for the course himself i suspect he/she will not be amused, I admire the new blood in the sparky world as they work twice as hard, pay twice as much and endure twice the ridicule!

Please remember time served sparks you didnt have it so bad

Hi mate i'm not slagging all these youngsters putting themselves thru college.Half of them are older guys anyway.The only problem is they finish their courses and have no practical experience and can't find a job.As i said earlier they should bring back the old fashioned apprenticeships.That is why this country is lacking tradesmen.No one cares and they look elsewhere

 

[Guest123]

I admire the new blood in the sparky world as they work twice as hard

Twice as hard as who???

Dont begin to tell me that those of us who were lucky enough to get an apprenticeship had it easy mate, because we (I) didn't.

My college was 40 miles away from where I lived and out of my £35 a week I had to buy tools, boots, pay bus fare and later on petrol, pay lodge to my old man.

So no we didn't have it easy.


P.S this is my last post on the topic or else I fear I may get banned.

 

[montybaber]

I have a feeling that in an electrical forum some occassional debates will not always support site sponsors etc, people have views and just because they support the forums (much the same as the members do) doesnt mean that subjects should not be discussed.

Personally I think short course providers provide a service to a gap in the market (people turned down from college for being to old) I do however believe that some of their advertising is misleading (im talking generally not specifically) the electrical industry is not the money spinner they advertise it as being and I think some of their costs are overinflated.

This isnt a witch-hunt it is a duscussion that I suspect you will find on every site and on every forum

 

[Dave]

passion lenny, thats what it is called...lol lol lol

 

[montybaber]

Twice as hard as who???

Dont begin to tell me that those of us who were lucky enough to get an apprenticeship had it easy mate, because we (I) didn't.

My college was 40 miles away from where I lived and out of my £35 a week I had to buy tools, boots, pay bus fare and later on petrol, pay lodge to my old man.

So no we didn't have it easy.


P.S this is my last post on the topic or else I fear I may get banned.

Lenny this isnt an argument its a discussion I am merely saying that we had our course fees paid for us, we had the training given to us where many these days do not.

Im not saying it was easy, i went through it exactly the same

PS my college was Southampton from Weymouth for a yr 2 days a week and burnemouth for the other three so I know how you felt