Are we killing the apprenticeship route into the industry?

[Doomed]

Remember the old saying you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

Which is piffle, people stop learning when they can't be bothered anymore or its too much effort, at which point they should retire of get a job at B&Q.
As I say, I have been working along side some long term spakies, and they are very set in thier ways, and when there is a change, such as the introduction of the 17th edition they fail to take the time to learn to understand the changes and the reasons behind them.

On old boy has started putting RCD's on everything because of the 17th - even for a length of surface mounted SWA in a commercial premises

Not everyone is the same, even if experiance has shown you that all BMW series 5 drivers make money from dealing in illicent substances or all irsh brickies like a drink on a friday evening it is not a fact and you MUST remain open to prejudices formed from your own experiance.

Note: attempt at light humour has been made during the writing of this post, no offence is meant to anyone, especially old people working at B&Q

 

[saveloy]

Which is piffle, people stop learning when they can't be bothered anymore or its too much effort, at which point they should retire of get a job at B&Q.
As I say, I have been working along side some long term spakies, and they are very set in thier ways, and when there is a change, such as the introduction of the 17th edition they fail to take the time to learn to understand the changes and the reasons behind them.

On old boy has started putting RCD's on everything because of the 17th - even for a length of surface mounted SWA in a commercial premises

Not everyone is the same, even if experiance has shown you that all BMW series 5 drivers make money from dealing in illicent substances or all irsh brickies like a drink on a friday evening it is not a fact and you MUST remain open to prejudices formed from your own experiance.

Note: attempt at light humour has been made during the writing of this post, no offence is meant to anyone, especially old people working at B&Q

+1. Excellent post.

 

[montybaber]

Anyone is capable of bettering themselves no matter their age, I have just completed my HNC at 29 and I plan OU very soon...it was very hard going back to studying after10 years but I managed

 

[Doomed]

Anyone is capable of bettering themselves no matter their age, I have just completed my HNC at 29 and I plan OU very soon...it was very hard going back to studying after10 years but I managed

My sister started her OU in her mid thirties, along with a part time job and raising a young family.

Now almost 15 years down the line she has a degree and a very well paid job from doing the OU course.

Go for it mate!

 

[montybaber]

thanks

I know it will be tough but I think I can use some points from my HNC towards it, personally I enjoy learning and get bored very easily if not challenged

Thats why I dont agree with old dog new tricks

 

[Mac]

Fair point but what about in ten years the young lads will be better than you thats speaking from my experience. Remember the old saying you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

Why is that then.Please enlighten usI'm an oldish dog,so what your saying is,i can't learn new tricks

 

[Jono Pashley]

Part of being an electrician is about being able to adapt to new situations.

 

[Risteard]

can i ask something, is it fair to say scrap the fasttrack courses when some people like myself cant get afford to drop to apprentice rates or cant get an apprenticeship, that would seem like your saying only the young who can actually manage to get an apprenticeship and have no commitments so can afford it should become electricians, surely thats discrimination?

Unite (the Electricians' Union), formerly Amicus, propose that Apprenticeships be made available to older entrants and that the exemption from paying 1st Year Apprentices the minimum wage be scrapped. (Of course, with the JIB Apprenticeship Scheme employers are technically contracted to pay the JIB Apprentice rates, although I freely admit that almost none do - at least on this side of the Irish Sea.)

 

[guitargraham]

YOWZER, this is 1 hell of a thread, i cant seem to keep up with everything that's being said, so let me ask this? going back to the question, Are we killing the apprenticeship route into the industry? how many of you time served, self employed sparks have, or are going to have an apprentice. 31 years ago all trades had them, but no longer because it costs to much and if you did you know they would burger off after qualifying and go working for them selves.
So who is really killing the apprenticeship route into the industry?

Just a thought.

Graham

 

[boatnik1]

YOWZER, this is 1 hell of a thread, i cant seem to keep up with everything that's being said, so let me ask this? going back to the question, Are we killing the apprenticeship route into the industry? how many of you time served, self employed sparks have, or are going to have an apprentice. 31 years ago all trades had them, but no longer because it costs to much and if you did you know they would burger off after qualifying and go working for them selves.
So who is really killing the apprenticeship route into the industry?

Just a thought.

Graham

I had the misfortune to take on three over the years and not one of them lasted the first year, also two Uni. Graduates who were the worst specimens ever put on the planet. One of them lasted two months and the other left after three weeks.

People need to be doing their theory alongside the practical so they wont have any surprises when they come to getting shoved under a floor or into a roofspace. They should know beforhand that folks with a fear of mice or spiders or other creepy crawlers OR WORK need not apply.

 

[Spudnik]

... a fear of mice or spiders or other creepy crawlers OR WORK need not apply.

I always wondered where i went wrong

 

[boatnik1]

Which part Jason? Hope it's not the work bit.

 

[Spudnik]

Always hated spiders, and still do!

Although, having been in this job for a number of years now, i have learnt to 'tolerate' them.

They still get it though if they come anywhere near me

 

[Dave]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71ljAVdy7k]YouTube - Scary Spiders[/ame]

 

[Spudnik]

Nice try.

Its the ones in real life, not on you tube