Are you sure its 43.3p? DECC say otherwise

[solarsavings]

Most of these companies will be closing down after the 3rd cause the EPC stuff will frighten them off. Absolute joke.

They won't be frightened off but forced out of business due to the lack of work. Very few of us will be doing much once the green deal kicks in.

 

[moggy1968]

They'll be selling up and moving to their villa to live off the earnings from the free systems they installed but registered in the directors names rather than the companies

 

[JMT]

The way I see it is it's 21p but customers who have installations before 3/3 have a Chance of 43p, that's what I will say but obviously say the contract is 21p, and they should only sign based on the 21p. !

Snap

Have a few jobs coming in now. Not sure what will happen after there is no chance of getting the 43.3p and its just plain 21p. Time will tell I suppose.

 

[earyzhe]

So does it still stand that properties will have to be C rated to get the FIT's from April? and if so is their any chance this will change?

 

[jupestar]

So does it still stand that properties will have to be C rated to get the FIT's from April? and if so is their any chance this will change?

We'll probably know the answer to this in December. Till then we'll all be selling on the basis that you might get 21p. Or it might be 0p.

 

[earyzhe]

What a Joke! Who's going to risk that!

 

[jupestar]

What a Joke! Who's going to risk that!

Sorry i was joking, don't want to make this situation any more confusing.

My understanding is that the proposal to make EPC is still standing, and i've not heard any update so as it stands yes properties will c-rated or above. I hope someone is appealing against it, and i hope it changes.

 

[SRE]

There's no confirmation about the C rating - it was in the consultation but the government haven't yet published the result of the consultation - that's due before 9th February. There seems to be a view from some people that the government were open to negotiation about the c rating but until they publish we're not going to know.

So the next few days will be spent sweating about what's happening in April. Will it be 21p and a C rating? Will it be 16p and you'll need to make sure the house is well insulated before you install - we'll just have to wait a bit longer.

 

[Gavin A]

If the C rating proposal gets binned either entirely or in favour of the green deal options, or a watered down version, I'd hope a few who've been laying in to BPVA of late will have cause for a bit of a rethink as this measure has been BPVA's major campaigning focus since the consultation started. Rightly IMO.

 

[moggy1968]

why would I support an opportunist middle eastern entrepreneur (or any other foreign entrpreneur) who has come over here to make a fast buck and then shoot off back to his dubiously run country?
Appologies if my facts are incorrect on that but thats how I see it.

 

[SolarCity]

If the C rating proposal gets binned either entirely or in favour of the green deal options, or a watered down version, I'd hope a few who've been laying in to BPVA of late will have cause for a bit of a rethink as this measure has been BPVA's major campaigning focus since the consultation started. Rightly IMO.

BPVA's approach appears to be one of appeasement. I'm definitely not a fan of it.

I still find BPVA's support of DECC confusing at best, even with their statements. They seem to be saying that they don't support the governments illegal action yet they then attempt to intervene on the DECC's behalf in court case dealing with exactly that.

DECC are not our masters. When they misbehave, we should bloody well tell them so.

 

[mdovey]

I still find BPVA's support of DECC confusing at best, even with their statements. They seem to be saying that they don't support the governments illegal action yet they then attempt to intervene on the DECC's behalf in court case dealing with exactly that.

If you listen to Greg Barker on Ch4 news (Government will appeal solar bid to save £1.5bn - Channel 4 News - about 2.20), it sounds as if BPVA "supported" DECC over the 21p rate not over the 12/12 reference date. Of course, Barker in his usual way refuses to separate the reduction of the FIT to 21p with the timing of the introduction (the court case is only about the date of introduction - not the actual reduction in the rate - but both Greg and Chris Huhne manage to conflate both issues in their responses).

So, it is quite easy for BPVA to support DECC in the introduction of a FIT of 21p but not support DECC in its plan to introduce it from the 12/12.

I suspect BPVA's real position is not that they "support" the 21p rate but they support that the FIT needs to be reduced, and "accept" 21p as inevitable so they can concentrate on lobbying over the EPC proposed conditions. This does not preclude them from comdeming DECC's actions in trying to introduce the reduction retrospectively.

I also suppect that BPVA's intervention in the court which Barker refers to, was not to "support" DECC over the FIT reduction, but more to indicate that the rate of the FIT is a distraction to the court case which is entirely and solely about the date of introduction - but Barker and Huhne have either deliberately misinterpreted this to be support of their entire actions, or really don't understand that the court case is not about the reduction but the date of introduction.

 

[SolarCity]

So, it is quite easy for BPVA to support DECC in the introduction of a FIT of 21p but not support DECC in its plan to introduce it from the 12/12.

Then surely their intent to intervene in the court process was utterly unjustified?

The rate of the FITs is not a legal issue.

 

[mdovey]

Then surely their intent to intervene in the court process was utterly unjustified?

I don't know what BPVA's actual intervention was - I don't trust either Barker or Huhne to report it accurately though. My suspicion is that DECC was wittering on about the 21p rate in court, and BPVA intervened to say that the 21p was irrelevant to the court case and was generally accepted as the FIT rate.

 

[SolarCity]

I don't know what BPVA's actual intervention was - I don't trust either Barker or Huhne to report it accurately though.

If this is true, then the BPVA have been oddly silent about being misinterpreted by both Barker and Huhne.