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So how do the domestic electricians amongst us deal with the silent killer. As I am sure most of you will be aware that domestic properties built pre 1997 is very likely to have asbestos in it. Art ex ceilings are one of the most common sources.

So what do you do when Mrs Jones wants some lovely recessed lights fitting etc? Or some floor tiles need lifting or holes need drilling etc.

Just wondering what most of you do. Do you turn a blind eye and hope it goes away, not wanting to upset the customer or do you ask them for an asbestos survey to be carried out.
 
As I keep saying I'm not interested it everything and anything else that may be a danger. They can be considered separately.

My OP is about the concerns of asbestos in domestic properties and how its disturbance etc isn't considered on the same scale as it is in a commercial environment but can still have the same implications.

You have answered my question that you obviously don't think its anything to worry about and there 'are far worse things out there'. Well if thats your attitude then I'm sorry but it doesn't look like much is going to change in the industry with narrow minded, fickle individuals.

Oh and for the record I didn't say asbestos awareness was around over 15 years ago, I just said it wasn't treated with the same respect as it is now.

Every hazard in the working environment has an associated risk in the domestic environment what is worse a slight chance of asbestos being present or a carpet soaked in dog pee and excrement and a kitchen full of dishes that had not seen the washing up bowl for over three months yes I've seen it and the last thing I was thinking about was asbestos

Well aren't you the man. It must all be a load of b***cks, all this abestos awareness then, either that are you are a true hard man.

And your point is what a lot of us have been aware of the asbestos issue for far longer than you have in the industry and have moved on to other issues that have more importance

Sorry, but i'm going to have to differ with you again, if anything the asbestosis awareness programme(s) were far more prominent and respected then, than it is now.... Far more people affected by asbestos and other related diseases were around then, than there is today... and the numbers are diminishing year on year...

There are limits in what you can fit into 5 weeks or 17 days when you are trying to become a tradesman

I might be considered as ''fickle'' in the right circumstances, ...but I'm beginning to believe the only narrow minded person here is yourself, maybe you're on some sort of crusade, ...alas that crusade set sail a very long time ago.

I was thinking that myself it appears that the OP is in some sort of time warp or his head is in the darkside

I do agree with points made from most posters here. For me, (smoker, drinker, motorbike rider, etc.) the concern is that it's 'unseen' and I could be unaware of the risks (I'm not!), unlike my life choices above. The thing that really concerns me though, is it's become another one to add to the 'duty of care' list, i.e. the powers that be have shifted the future blame onto you and I.

Tried to make a similar point earlier in the thread that there are too many variables in life that could kill you

Tricky one this.. However two views. I do a lot of work for a charity on domestic properties and before any contactor goes on site a report is done. Any asbestos on site then a meeting is made to discuss where we need to be and if it's going to cause any issues then it's removed.

However working on joe publics house, let's be fair these reports are silly money and for jobs like spot lights they ain't going to pay the money to a have one done and b the cost to have the job done. Makes the basic jobs pricy. My experience tho you'll find it in most properties these days you will.. Bit common sence and decent PPE is what I say.

What percentage and at what levels do the properties you work on have asbestos in them, just as an indication of what the scale of the asbestos issue is in domestic properties

To some degree 65%ish sink pads floor tiles artex.. Whether it be a small percentage it's shocking to see exactly how many properties actually have this in
 
Not had time to read every post but:
Back in the 60's I was working in a chemical plant and the foreman said to me "Those guys will be dead before they are 40" looking towards the laggers working nearby. When I asked why, he said "it is the asbestos in the lagging, it does their lungs in". I have been careful around the stuff ever since.

But given its very wide spread use and the number of holes I have drilled and knocked in all sorts of stuff as well as changing many old brake shoes/pads I have probably breathed some of it in. I am still going at the moment though. Keeping my fingers crossed.
 
Not had time to read every post but:
Back in the 60's I was working in a chemical plant and the foreman said to me "Those guys will be dead before they are 40" looking towards the laggers working nearby. When I asked why, he said "it is the asbestos in the lagging, it does their lungs in". I have been careful around the stuff ever since.

But given its very wide spread use and the number of holes I have drilled and knocked in all sorts of stuff as well as changing many old brake shoes/pads I have probably breathed some of it in. I am still going at the moment though. Keeping my fingers crossed.

did they use asbestos in drum brakes then?
 
Asbestos was used in just about every brake friction component. Now that we don't have asbestos in the pads we have to change the discs more often. There was usually a warning in the replacement not to use air lines to blow off the dust. I used to get the linings and rivet them to the shoes, it was cheaper that way.
 
Just this week surveyed an old supermarket and asbestos stickers all over 2 walls , and the old false ceiling which is below a flat roof is suspect , Asked for an Asbestos register or survey and was told one maybe around , because we would have contractors working there we would have to arrange a survey ourselves , but if the old false ceiling is inaccessible then the cost of work will rise , with the routes we would have to use,,
 
So, if someone was to drill into, or put a pad saw through, an artexed ceiling, without using any dust extraction, how long could particles be airborn for, and how dangerous could it be.

well put it this way it only takes you to inhale one particle to end up in trouble with an incubation period of between 15 and 40 years , there is a sticky i posted on asbestos a few years ago im not sure where it will be but may explain things , or have a look at asbestos on the HSE web site
 
well put it this way it only takes you to inhale one particle to end up in trouble with an incubation period of between 15 and 40 years , there is a sticky i posted on asbestos a few years ago im not sure where it will be but may explain things , or have a look at asbestos on the HSE web site

How likely is it, that you would only inhale just one particle?? By far and away, the biggest number of those contracting asbestosis have been those working with asbestos on a day in day out basis for many years. Don't get me wrong here, working in and around asbestos (these days it will be the removal of asbestos) you need to be proactive with regards to protection. Using a lot more commonsense and a lot less scaremongering also goes a long way in being aware of the real facts, instead of trying to protect against the impossible!!
 
I know, but there is a lot of ceilings that have artex that contains asbestos, these are often breached as very few people know about the asbestos, or new lights/smokes/fans are needed.

OK so know you know.

So what are you going to do when every job you go to, the customer wants a new light postion, a smoke detector, or a fan in these artexed ceilings/walls??
 
The big issue is if you are on a site and theres other people or trades on site , and you disturb asbestos , the implications are massive , it is you that will be held responsible , thats why before any work starts on a site either the asbestos register is checked or an asbestos survey is carried out , just the threat of disturbing the smallest amount is enough for other trades to walk of site and claim against you ...
 

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