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Up to recently I used to work for a kitchen fitter who says that B&Q want all sub contractors to be CRB checked and carry one of thier ID cards.

They also said that it is non negotiable.

Though I have ben CRB checked and have no problem, its the fact that B&Q want us to carry one of their ID cards.

Thoughts.
 
The point is that B&Q are acting in a criminal fashion by doing that, and therefore would fail the checks they are demanding.

They DO NOT have any lawful purpose for requesting such a check.

Why don't you require people to undergo a CRB check before entering the supermarket to purchase food to live? They may come into contact with children or other vulnerable groups there...

But are they going to molest children in the very public place of a supermarket????
I agree fully with Davey's comments, the liberal leftie 'uman rights' brigade are why this country is full of perverts and villains,none of which B&Q would want to be sending into a private house.
 
I had to have one to work in a school regardless of the fact it was the 6 weeks holiday, its just red tape and more money to the bankrupt goverment

Yer buddy i had the same when i done some work in some schools in the past ! They done a list 99 to get me onsite then the full CRB. Also most leisure centres want one ! Its prob worth getting one done also if your self employed as it helps get more work although its a pain needs must in this day and age ! mind you i did see a few painters etc onsite without one done i guess its the way the countrys going now.
 
But are they going to molest children in the very public place of a supermarket????
I agree fully with Davey's comments, the liberal leftie 'uman rights' brigade are why this country is full of perverts and villains,none of which B&Q would want to be sending into a private house.

Well there was an instance in a supermarket in manchester where 2 polish people grabbed a kid in a supermarket and tried shaving her hair and dressing her lke a boy to get her outside without anyone knowing!!!! I think they were labourers working on the supermarket but not sure

So things like that can and will happen!

I AGREE WITH DAVEY101 to a point the only issue is that having all of that info on record leaves you vulnerable not only from corruption but as we have found out in recent years the government isn't very good at keeping information safe! by having all of your information in one place you leave youurself open to all sorts of problems.
But with the same breath we DO need to use whatever means are at our disposal to fight crime and i think a healthy ballance needs to be struck!!
 
Well there was an instance in a supermarket in manchester where 2 polish people grabbed a kid in a supermarket and tried shaving her hair and dressing her lke a boy to get her outside without anyone knowing!!!! I think they were labourers working on the supermarket but not sure

So things like that can and will happen!

Urban Myth I'm afraid snopes.com: Kidnapped Child Rumor


In my view, the CRB check could just be another holgram on a CSCS card as proof.
 
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I think it is a sales gimmick by B+Q,howeve,r if they were fundung the checks I would be more than happy to have one done for free

It must give reassurance to some customers that the workers have been checked and if it is good for sales.it will no doubt creep into all aspects of work
It may then even become part of part p in the future
 
I think it is a sales gimmick by B+Q,howeve,r if they were fundung the checks I would be more than happy to have one done for free

It must give reassurance to some customers that the workers have been checked and if it is good for sales.it will no doubt creep into all aspects of work
It may then even become part of part p in the future

The fact is it is not lawful to conduct a check to boost sales.

it will no doubt creep into all aspects of work
It may then even become part of part p in the future

Answer me this.

If someone had a conviction and could not get any work as this had "crept into all aspects of work" do you think that is likely to increase or decrease recidivism amongst so-called "offenders"?
 
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Firstly, this is about KITCHEN FITTERS working for B+Q, in PEOPLE'S HOUSE'S, not people working in the stores.
Secondly, how many times have we heard on the news about some criminal (usually a pervert), who wasn't checked up on properly, or wasn't stopped when he could have been?

Do you remember the case of 2 little girls who were killed by their school caretaker? I dont remember all the details, but IIRC, the police or council were criticised for not checking Huntley properly. Perhaps if they had, those 2 girls may be alive now. Are some of you saying that someone who applies for a school caretaker job shouldnt have to be checked? What about someone who cuts the grass at a school? What about the bloke who helps with a bit of DIY, or the lollipop man?

What then about the spark who is installing a new fire alarm? I personnaly have worked in a lot of schools, and I dont remember being checked at all, which in hindsight seems strange. I've also worked at RAF bases, police stations, and other goverment sites, and have been checked for all of them (including one where several people I know were interviewed, my financial history and social life was investigated). Did I feel uneasy, or worried about my privacy? No, of course not.

Now, I know some people will argue that working as a kitchen fitter is not the same as working in a school, and of course, to some extent they are right. However, the same opportunites are probably going to present themselves to a would be pervert as working in a school (I'm no expert on the subject, but it seems logical to me). They say that most children are abducted/molested/killed by someone the family knows, a workman who has spent a week in your house, and possibly time in friends houses may seem trustworthy, as well as someone a child would feel comfortable with.

Let me ask you this. If you KNEW that your kitchen fitter was a convicted pervert, would you honestly let him in your house? (I wouldnt). If the answer is no, are you then saying that you should be denied the right to know that said kitchen fitter is a pervert?

You cant check up on everyone, but I should think that you would expect a large company like B+Q to do these checks on your behalf. Wether it gets them more sales or not is irrelevant (but would be a good thing if it encourages other firms to follow B+Q's lead).

Now, dont get me wrong, I'm not some rightwing Mail reader who thinks that all imigrants should be thrown out of the country (just some of them), or that once someone commits a crime then they lose all rights for the rest of their lives, but I do beleive that the rights of the decent majority come along way ahead of criminals, and that 'we' need protecting as much as possible. CRB checks are, hopefully, one way of achieving this.

The point is that B&Q are acting in a criminal fashion by doing that, and therefore would fail the checks they are demanding.

They DO NOT have any lawful purpose for requesting such a check.

Why don't you require people to undergo a CRB check before entering the supermarket to purchase food to live? They may come into contact with children or other vulnerable groups there...


Whats criminal about carrying out a CRB check?

The lawfull purpose is to check on the history of people working in YOUR HOME. I ask again, would YOU be happy to have a 'criminal' in your house?

No offence intended, but I really dont understand the comparison between the supermarket/your home.

As for the post about the clown being sacked, I say good. Its pretty obvious (again) why someone may want to check on a childrens entertainer. If the idiot takes offence then tough.
 
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I think it is a sales gimmick by B+Q,howeve,r if they were fundung the checks I would be more than happy to have one done for free

It must give reassurance to some customers that the workers have been checked and if it is good for sales.it will no doubt creep into all aspects of work
It may then even become part of part p in the future


It probably will, that makes sense as a way to kind of "strike you off the register of certified tradesmen" if you have a criminal background...
They are now doing CRB/Disclosure Scotland checks on all new course applicants at a few Colleges and Universities in Scotland, and denying people with a record entry to courses,as it is seen as a waste of time and effort when their criminal record would forbid them working in their trade/line of employment, there was a young lad local to me who was doing aeronautics at College (wanted to go into aircraft repair) as part of a 3 year course, went out , got pssed, crashed his car, didnt plead guilty to drink driving straight away as he thought he was ok...got pulled in and told he was kicked off the course (he had done 2 years and 3 months of a 3 year course) and that was that.....lost his driving licence so 95% of people wouldnt give him a job, ended up that his dad got him a job at the company he was a manager at...
I can see more and more Colleges and Unis UK wide doing CRB/Disclosure Scotland checks now to keep unsavoury people out, even a speeding fine could get you removed...

Imagine being a young apprentice Builder or Electrician, maybe 19 years old.....get done for speeding or drink driving, or maybe being drunk and disorderly outside the Students Union.......then getting thrown off your training course as the CRB check has the words "CRIMINAL" and "OFFENCE" on it...thats you double knackered, a criminal record and nobody willing to let you onto training schemes/courses... so your career choice is ended on the spot.....for life.
 
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What this country and others need to understand regarding CRB checks is simply this!

JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN CRB CHECKED AND PASSED DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE NOT A PAEDOFILE, PERVERT OR THEIF.....

This is where so many people are deluded by this matter.

There will be thousands upon thousands of paedofiles working in schools, nurserys and other employment vacancies who have never been caught.

But to most deluded people of this generation they are ok because they have passed a CRB check.....Rubbish.

A lad who may have had a fight and got caught and convicted is tarred with the same brush as a pervert etc because he has a criminal conviction.

CRB checking is fine if its going to be used with common sense i.e when offences commited are actually relevant to the job described.

People are very very narrow minded in this area. The whole country.

Rant over....
 
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what about the rehabilitation of offenders act? offences are classed as spent after ten years (cautions after 6) and they dont have to be disclosed. I wonder if b and q are acting legally, as by doing a crb check without good reason (working unsupervised with children etc) they are forcing spent convictions to be disclosed and making judgements on them
 

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