Bedroom lights without earths

[Car123]

Here is another question. In my bedrooms 1 light is earthed and two are not. The lights are pendants..All plastic fittings. I have been told there needs to be further investigation. The investigation apparently needing to get up in to the loft to look for the earth. This is a problem for me as the loft is looked and choker block with my stuff. Loads of it. The loft is locked and I am not sure where the key is. (Lockdown intervened(.Anyhow I have asked the electricians why they need to investigate further. I said I thought it was okay that bedroom lights are not earthed with plastic fittings. They just dont answer. I am feeling a bit desparate about it as I have 28 days to complete the work

 

[buzzlightyear]

https://professional-electrician.com/technical/lighting-circuits-without-cpc/

 

[richy3333]

411.3.1.1

A circuit protective conductor shall be run to and terminated at each point in wiring and at each accessory except a lampholder having no exposed-conductive-parts and suspended from such a point

 

[buzzlightyear]

Lighting circuits installed before 1966 did not require a circuit protective conductor (cpc) to be run to and terminated at every point and accessory of a lighting circuit, as is currently required by Regulation 411.3.1.1 of BS 7671. my version .

 

[Car123]

I think it would be useful to post a copy of this report if you have a couple of things on it you would like clearing up.

just remove the personal details first.

Well I don't have the report as they will not be issuing it until the work is done. I have a number of points sent to me by email.. 1).The wrong fuse was put in the consumer unit by an electrician who fitted new lights. This has been changed. C2).The light in the bathroom highlighted in last EICR was changed then..But they put the wrong one in. This too has been rectified.C2 3 ).There is loose trunking. This was raised on EICR in 2014. I did not see the report at the time as agent had it. I have now got hold of it and it was registered as C3. It is now graded as C2. I think that I now understand that since Edition 18 this grading may have changed. Though the electrician who did it in 2014 says its still C3. But whatever. 4) There is no label on the gas to show the water And gas are earthed C2. I think this needs a clamp?. Don't understand this at all but .. 5).The investigation regarding The lights

 

[Car123]

411.3.1.1

A circuit protective conductor shall be run to and terminated at each point in wiring and at each accessory except a lampholder having no exposed-conductive-parts and suspended from such a point

Well you sound like you know what you are talking about. Problem is being ignorant I don't understand what all this means. What does this involve? Has this changed since 2014

 

[Car123]

Lighting circuits installed before 1966 did not require a circuit protective conductor (cpc) to be run to and terminated at every point and accessory of a lighting circuit, as is currently required by Regulation 411.3.1.1 of BS 7671. my version .

Did this come after 2014? Can I achieve this without going in to the loft

 

[dodger421]

Well I don't have the report as they will not be issuing it until the work is done. I have a number of points sent to me by email.. 1).The wrong fuse was put in the consumer unit by an electrician who fitted new lights. This has been changed. C2).The light in the bathroom highlighted in last EICR was changed then..But they put the wrong one in. This too has been rectified.C2 3 ).There is loose trunking. This was raised on EICR in 2014. I did not see the report at the time as agent had it. I have now got hold of it and it was registered as C3. It is now graded as C2. I think that I now understand that since Edition 18 this grading may have changed. Though the electrician who did it in 2014 says its still C3. But whatever. 4) There is no label on the gas to show the water And gas are earthed C2. I think this needs a clamp?. Don't understand this at all but .. 5).The investigation regarding The lights

4) main protective bonding connections should have a tag or label with the wording “safety electrical connection do not remove”. Missing labelling on its own is a C3, but if the clamp is missing or not properly connected to the MET it is a C2 as main protective bonding is not in place.

 

[James]

If you have paid for a report, they should not be withholding it.

After all, you asked them to do a report, not give you a list of things you must do before they will give you a report.

Write them an email, along the lines of.

I have ordered and paid for an EICR to be done at 123 any avenue.
I have now waited x days for it and find this unacceptable.
please provide the report as ordered as soon as possible and in any case within 5 days or i will seek advice on how to recover the money paid to you for a service i have not received.

 

[Car123]

4) main protective bonding connections should have a tag or label with the wording “safety electrical connection do not remove”. Missing labelling on its own is a C3, but if the clamp is missing or not properly connected to the MET it is a C2 as main protective bonding is not in place.l

What does the clamp.do? Again this was not picked up at the 2014 testing. Could it have fallen off. The bonding was done in the 80s

 

[dodger421]

Well you sound like you know what you are talking about. Problem is being ignorant I don't understand what all this means. What does this involve? Has this changed since 2014

In layman’s terms an earth (CPC) needs to be run to every switch, ceiling rose, socket, outside light, shower pump, extractor fan etc etc that’s connected to fixed wiring. That applies even if the items are double insulated and don’t actually need an earth connection. The earth (CPC) should be terminated in a suitable manner, not folded back or left dangling.

The only exception is the (normally) flexible cable attaching a double insulated lamp holder to the ceiling rose. That would be the pendant with either the bayonet or Edison screw lamp holder. The earth (CPC) must still be present at the ceiling rose.

 

[Baddegg]

Well 1) the bathroom is not earthed but that's okay I am told as it has a doubly insulated light fitting. I understood originally from the electrician who did the test that it was okay that the lights are not earthed as they are in bedrooms and have plastic pendant fittings. At the 2014 EICR it passed. So I am confused.

The 18th edition happened..

 

[dodger421]

What does the clamp.do? Again this was not picked up at the 2014 testing. Could it have fallen off. The bonding was done in the 80s

BS951 clamps provide a mechanically secure and electrically sound connection for the main protective bonding conductor. They’re unlikely to fall off, but often get removed by other tradesmen during their works. I’ve come across a good number where the clamp is physically connected to a bit of copper pipe that’s been cut off after springing a leak.

 

[Baddegg]

How can you know all this stuff if you havnt got a report youve paid for??.....if they’ve completed the report which it sounds like they have and you’ve paid them for that service the report is now yours....what you choose to do bout it is on you as well.....there is nothing stopping you from ripping it up MF geyting nother one from different spark.....I would stress that is no Guarantee of a more favourable report though,

 

[Baddegg]

BS951 clamps provide a mechanically secure and electrically sound connection for the main protective bonding conductor. They’re unlikely to fall off, but often get removed by WETPANTS during their works. I’ve come across a good number where the clamp is physically connected to a bit of copper pipe that’s been cut off after springing a leak.

corrected that for you mate ?

 

[dodger421]

corrected that for you mate ?

I was trying not to discriminate, plenty of Kev’s do the same ;-D