Been doing a rewire.......

[Loki]

Hi,

Been doing a full rewire on a social housing 2 bedroom house.
Lifted the floorboards to find that the house has been rewired in the past.
The sockets were really low maybe 75mm off the floor, also the original cables to the sockets had be cut with about 3 foot left connected to the old rewire via terminal connectors wrapped in tape & far to much outer sheath stripped back.
Not a quality job done lol.

Now new cables are in, sockets & switches at the usual 450mm / 1200mm heights.
New crabtree CU, 2 afdd & rcbo's, revive 7 fans in kitchen & bathroom, 2nd fixing still to do.

Give it 6 - 12 months & tenant will probably have trashed the place lol

 

[Loki]

Com[any needs to employ someone who knows What's What with regards to these devices I reckon, what say others?

Think its more a knee jerk reaction still to grenfell incase something like that ever happened to one of their properties.

 

[westward10]

AFDDs would not have prevented Grenfell.

 

[hasel5]

interesting

 

[hasel5]

interesting

 

[hasel5]

I feel sorry for all the guys whom will have to attend the calls outs after the fitting

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Afdd's on a social housing job....wow!

Speaking to somebody who does new builds last week, he said that housing associations and councils are insisting on them on new builds around here, i am not generalizing but in one project they built self contained flats for drug addicts going through recovery, when they find out the value of the afdd or spd then wouldn't put it past them to put it up on ebay!

 

[Welchyboy1]

There seems to be a general hint on this thread that social housing tenants are less worthy of a safe electrical installation than more 'upmarket' types. Kind of makes some of us look like tw@ts IMHO....

More the quality of the install and spec of the job being directly proportionate to the budget allowance for said install and spec of the job

 

[FatAlan]

There seems to be a general hint on this thread that social housing tenants are less worthy of a safe electrical installation than more 'upmarket' types. Kind of makes some of us look like tw@ts IMHO....

Agree with you Dave but in reality the cynic in me says it’s only being done as an --- covering exercise by those putting together the spec.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

They are ineffective on ring final circuits.

What's that got to do bureacracy?

 

[HappyHippyDad]

There seems to be a general hint on this thread that social housing tenants are less worthy of a safe electrical installation than more 'upmarket' types. Kind of makes some of us look like tw@ts IMHO....

That's a bit of an insult to a tw@t really

 

[Squid]

There seems to be a general hint on this thread that social housing tenants are less worthy of a safe electrical installation than more 'upmarket' types. Kind of makes some of us look like tw@ts IMHO....

The "upmarket" ones pay for it themselves, the social tenants you are paying for their rewire via your taxes.

 

[Lucien Nunes]

They are ineffective on ring final circuits.

They wont pick up arcing on the ring itself

I think this is pretty misleading. As far as I know, from various manufacturers' info, they work just as well at detecting arcs on rings as on any circuit.

E.g. see Arc Fault Detection Devices - https://www.hager.co.uk/news-exhibitions-case-studies/18th-edition/arc-fault-detection-devices/89766.htm

and http://www.beama.org.uk/asset/0C5A2A43-C78C-40A5-98513C9F6CCB343F/.

What is different about rings is that a broken ring won't necessarily arc at the break, so there's nothing for the AFDD to detect, but also nothing to set fire to the building. On an RFC, an AFDD will detect:

* Series arcs in fittings carrying load (e.g. between the cables and the socket terminal they are in)
* Series arcs in connected plugs and appliances
* Series arcs on spurs
* Parallel arcs everywhere

The only thing they will not detect is a series break that is not interrupting a load due to a parallel connection, because it won't arc significantly or at all. Describing this as 'not working on rings' seems to me like saying that CO2 fire extinguishers don't work on non-flammable materials.

 

[Tony Reidy]

I wonder why they don't go all the way and spec SPDs as well ?

If it's in a built up area then it shouldn't need them

 

[magnoliafan89]

There seems to be a general hint on this thread that social housing tenants are less worthy of a safe electrical installation than more 'upmarket' types. Kind of makes some of us look like tw@ts IMHO....

I do social housing...i dont think they're are less worthy. I always do a qaulity job everytime because its obviously a reflection of me, i dont want any repercussions from bodged work. However it does grind my gears when you have to go replace sockets that are hanging off the wall when the fella of the house has had too many beers in him and wants to show hard bruce lee hard he is by smashing up an inanimate object...then they have the nerve to tell us its our responsibility to maintain their house.....

 

[Charlie_]

It’s not just social housing that’s the problem but also the rental sector..
Basically, the majority of those people living in a house that don’t own it.