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Coronavirus: Self-employed bailout ‘problematic’
Rishi Sunak refuses to commit to a precise date for help, saying there are issues about the fairness.
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Coronavirus: Self-employed bailout ‘problematic’
Rishi Sunak refuses to commit to a precise date for help, saying there are issues about the fairness.
Words words words
So hes not even sorted the one out for employed people yet?!!
One of the biggest issues that will come to light after all this is the total inefficiency and inadequacy of government departments, benefits, job centres etc.....the majority of the people in the country have never had the misfortune of dealing with them before.......
Absolutely... and the mixed messages. I'm trying to get some clarity on the guidance and the information is just garbage, but I did discover that Gwent police are out and about enforcing the rules on social distancing etc. And in their view only key workers should be going to work, so are we key workers? Some documents say you can travel to work 'only if absolutely necessary', others just say if it can't be done from home.
Yes there are a lot of rules, yes people should be using common sense, but it's not hard to provide more clarity. Take the fact that they have added the bit about work in peoples homes... the example they've used suggests only repairs and maintenance, but it is only an example. So are these rules going to be used to decide who can furlough their employees or not? If you're self employed, will they be used (when they eventually get their act together on that) to decide if you can claim or whether you should have been out flouting the rules.
In situations like this, the vast majority of people will do as they are told but for that to work there needs to be clarity... clarity that in my opinion is not difficult to provide. The work in peoples homes part could be clarified with something like "only works to keep the property safe for continued use are allowed". That's it, as it is, it's entirely open to interpretation.
Yes there are a lot of rules, yes people should be using common sense, but it's not hard to provide more clarity. Take the fact that they have added the bit about work in peoples homes... the example they've used suggests only repairs and maintenance, but it is only an example. So are these rules going to be used to decide who can furlough their employees or not? If you're self employed, will they be used (when they eventually get their act together on that) to decide if you can claim or whether you should have been out flouting the rules.
In situations like this, the vast majority of people will do as they are told but for that to work there needs to be clarity... clarity that in my opinion is not difficult to provide. The work in peoples homes part could be clarified with something like "only works to keep the property safe for continued use are allowed". That's it, as it is, it's entirely open to interpretation.
The work in peoples homes part could be clarified with something like "only works to keep the property safe for continued use are allowed .
.but where do you draw the line? OAP with a fridge/freezer not working or no hot water? maybe a simple fix like resetting a RCD or isolating a faulty leg of a circuit. in and out within the hour; common sense applied re social distancing, hand washing after touching surfaces. would you class that as essential?
.but where do you draw the line? OAP with a fridge/freezer not working or no hot water? maybe a simple fix like resetting a RCD or isolating a faulty leg of a circuit. in and out within the hour; common sense applied re social distancing, hand washing after touching surfaces. would you class that as essential?
Agree I have a consumer unit change for tomorrow power to an out building on Friday, obviously both those can wait, that’s my decision not the customers, but I’ve just had a call from an elderly lady in my road actually who’s kettle socket is smoking and smells of burning.....
It's a shame they banned 'common sense' years ago... that's exactly what's needed right now...
In a word... yes I would... because no hot water = inability to follow other rules and keep up cleanliness and fridge/freezer not working = potential requirement to shop more frequently which presents a much bigger risk to the individual in question because there are too many morons not following the distancing rules in places like supermarkets... even the staff at Asda were not following them and then they're looking at me like I'm stupid because I have a respirator and gloves on ffs.
So there's no problem. You do the latter one.
Totally get it, each job should be looked at individually and assessed. But consider some examples....
Plastering... required to keep things safe? Hardly
New carpets/flooring... required right now? Probably not
Finishing a kitchen... if it's things like putting doors on (i.e. the general finish), then that can wait but if it's finishing basic amenities like power, water and gas for cleaning, cooking, etc. that in my opinion is essential
These are some of the jobs I've put off...
Installing a new burglar alarm system - Not required right now, not safety critical
Moving some sockets and adding some - Not required right now, not safety critical
Installing power to a shed - Not required right now, not safety critical
Changing lights - Not required right now, not safety critical
Installing new outside lighting - Not required right now, not safety critical
So yes, common sense does have to come into play. The point I'm making is really about whether the guidance will be used to decide who can access the financial assistance for business.
As it stands the guidance allows me to continue working in peoples homes for undefined durations for any purpose and therefore in the eyes of government I can continue to run the business as normal. I'm choosing not to do that because in my opinion at this moment in time, it is the right thing to do for the benefit of everyone, but with the updated guidance that decision is not supported by government and as such it could prevent businesses from getting access to the assistance.
even the staff at Asda were not following them and then they're looking at me like I'm stupid because I have a respirator and gloves on ffs.
Sorry @SparkyChick we will need photo evidence of that ?
Sorry @SparkyChick we will need photo evidence of that ?
If they try to use their irresponsible advice as a tool to avoid payment to tradesmen then my response will be that the customers cancelled all my work for me leaving me unemployed.
Not sure how far that will run but I'll fight for help for sure.
Basically we’re in mid air at present. It’s just a case of using your head. Just been in the Co-op getting some ‘essentials’ for my old folks. One girl told me that things are miles better safety wise, today..and it seemed so. May be big problems personally, though...my old fella does nearly everything for my mum, who’s not too well at all. He’s done his back in, old complaint, and is lying next to her in bed.
Hi Pal I’m in same category as you with having a couple of months savings and a child at home with Crohn’s disease so making him very high risk.
Do you know if it’s possible to wind up a business with hmrc then claim benefits for 4 months then restart business
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words!....for the love of god WORDS!!!
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But this morning the chancellor said at least end of april. Wtf are they playing at
Don't wind anything up yet, wait until the bill is released by government to see what support you can get. A lot of companies may sadly go belly up during this meaning more work for the rest of us.
There'll be plenty of telecoms work after this as the network will need serious upgrades in capacity as companies realise it's cheaper and more efficient to have people working from home. That means lots of work coming in.
Possibly till the funds are received by the self employed person? I've read the scheme will be announced at the governments press conference tomorrow, so should have at least some detail then.
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Section 2 here says carry on as normal pretty much. If you can stand the wrath of the Facebook police that is.
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Unfortunately, the system already has rules built into it to cover for the situation of the self-employed "deciding" to become "voluntarily" unemployed.
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Wonder if this is a wiggle out for them... as nobody wants us in their homes at the mo rightly so
I would guess they’ll be money coming....tied to previous tax returns taken at your word If and when this is all over if what you’ve declared things doesn’t tally up they’ll want a percentage back from you much like self assessment works at present except they will check the figures.....they realistically look at 5 million plus people’s returns for the last few years at the present...
This is the point I've been wondering. Right now, they aren't telling us to stop working, they've given us the green light to work and as such there is no reason for us to be claiming the financial support.
Or such a large percentage of it anyways.....
Back in 2008, the government of the day was very quick off the mark to offer financial bailouts totalling £500 billion to the banks. By contrast, help for the self-employed isn't happening with the same determination and haste. Just saying.
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Were gonna get nothing, weve now been told if we cant work from home then we should go to work, I'm lucky at the moment I've got a small building site I'm on but theres only a couple of weeks left there, and theyve already scared off all the domestic trade
Looks like there might be some more information from the Government coming tomorrow regarding some form of help for the self employed...
news.sky.com
Coronavirus: Help for self-employed workers to be unveiled on Thursday
Prime Minister Boris Johnson tells MPs that the government will do "whatever we can" to support the self-employed.
I appreciate a lot of people are facing hardship its affecting us also, but there is a flip side to only getting 80% of wages or whatever the Gov't decide to give the self employed/ employed to stay home which may be better than some alternatives
Those who are classed as key workers like my Wife and I are continuing to work for our normal wage unless we get ill
She works for NHS in operating theatres which are being converted into ICU wards and She will be in contact with severe cases
Not as bad for me, working from home on call, going all over the country in the food industry for customers employing Eastern European's where so far I'm not seeing any measures being enforced at all, if it gets into those places they/We are all going to be sick very quickly.
Maybe not as risky as going to supermarkets for a spot of panic buying though!
There's the smell of lots of Govt money in the air and production is being ramped up and common sense is being ignored greed is going to override for some
We're not going to see much of each other or our kids over the next few months and We both will have a higher chance of contracting this virus potentially affecting our kids and other elderly family members who are isolating and to a degree relying on us for help
We could and maybe should stay at home for 80% wages and isolate ourselves just in case, most of the population are going to be ill at some point, A lot of people I know have told me they are doing this they see it as a few months off work. ( not suggesting people here are doing this)
But it would be good to finish a few jobs at home spend some time with the Mrs and kids and enjoy the weather when its nice albeit at a restricted level
But just think where the Country will end up if all people tagged as key workers do this
The Emergency and Armed forces for example
Those who are classed as key workers like my Wife and I are continuing to work for our normal wage unless we get ill
She works for NHS in operating theatres which are being converted into ICU wards and She will be in contact with severe cases
Not as bad for me, working from home on call, going all over the country in the food industry for customers employing Eastern European's where so far I'm not seeing any measures being enforced at all, if it gets into those places they/We are all going to be sick very quickly.
Maybe not as risky as going to supermarkets for a spot of panic buying though!
There's the smell of lots of Govt money in the air and production is being ramped up and common sense is being ignored greed is going to override for some
We're not going to see much of each other or our kids over the next few months and We both will have a higher chance of contracting this virus potentially affecting our kids and other elderly family members who are isolating and to a degree relying on us for help
We could and maybe should stay at home for 80% wages and isolate ourselves just in case, most of the population are going to be ill at some point, A lot of people I know have told me they are doing this they see it as a few months off work. ( not suggesting people here are doing this)
But it would be good to finish a few jobs at home spend some time with the Mrs and kids and enjoy the weather when its nice albeit at a restricted level
But just think where the Country will end up if all people tagged as key workers do this
The Emergency and Armed forces for example
They are currently trying to work out how to help the self employed... it's not as easy as you might think. Remember that government normally works very very slowly, so getting something agreed within a few weeks is extremely rapid for them... for us it still seems very slow.
The 2008 situation was entirely different... there is no comparison. The bank funding was in effect a loan and if a major bank collapsed it would have had serious consequences for millions of people across the world for years and years.
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There is a better article on sky news that says aid is coming today......apparently not for any self employed with savings??......
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Does anyone have any idea where this was pulled from? Was it in the bill or a proposed ammendment?
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That's good, but I like to see things written in black an white on an official document before believing them.
Politicians say a lot of things in press conferences that sort of resemble the truth but aren't quite exactly true.
Plus I don't have a TV.
I met a few people now that choose not to have a tv and they get hounded relentlessly by the licensing people, is it the same for you @davesparks?
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At my previous house I received a letter approximately once a month stating that an active investigation had been opened and their inspectors are in the area. The first one arrived a few days after I moved in, the previous tenant did watch TV without a licence.
3 years later I moved out and was still receiving the same letters telling me that they would be knocking on my door within a few weeks if I didn't pay.
Since moving house my other half has taken care of it and we haven't actually had any bother from them.
So what about employees who have savings?
Hopefully we'll find something out, shortly.
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