best way to deal with t*#t bosses

[atm84]

So just looking for some advice as above.

I work in an office and have a senior engineer above me who feels that it is acceptable to speak to me in an aggressive and degrading manner who puts unnecessary pressure on me to complete tasks as fast as possible and then getting arsy when its not up to standard.

I have been in the industry for over 13 years and can honestly say that I have never been spoken to in this way even when I was on the tools as an apprentice (some would say I was lucky). The point is I am now an adult and expect to be spoken to with respect and NOT be treated like a child.

It is meant to be a professional environment but is far from it.

I took the job a few months ago and was told that I would have a senior engineer above me who would act as a mentor. But it is more like an old headmaster at a bording school who tries to crack the whip.

I have raised it my the Manager who told me that he does not understand why I have so much pressure put on me when I am still training and that he thinks that the senior engineer is just trying to throw his weight around as he has never been a manager before (and still isn't) and is trying to be one.

The Senior Engineer never says please or thank you and demands me to get out of my chair and 'come here'.

I will admit that I have started been more abrupt with him and answering back when he speaks to me like crap which prob infuriates him when the office is full but to be honest it infuriates me when he speaks to me like that in a full office.

I have found a number of errors in his work and pulled him up on it which he doesn't like but other ppl have agreed with him. Others in the office agree that its not acceptable how I am spoken to either.

Is it time to jump ship as I don't think ppl can really change and I need to be able to get on with him in order to learn but I find it very frustrating and its causing me to get stressed. I'm only young with a young family to think about.

I don't want to leave as I generally like it there and have only been there a few months and it wouldn't look good on my cv.

I took a massive pay cut to go work there as i was told that I would be trained up by a mentor and that it would be a good working environment with a good work life balance. I'm finding that not to be the case.

Any advice please

 

[telectrix]

turds are tapered so that your arse doesn't close with a bang. semtex would negate this.

 

[shanky887614]

Didn't know that, I'll pop it in the dirty tricks book ;-)

So we now know exlax and optrex work the same sort of magic....
Anyone tried Artex or Semtex?

slowhand, leave exlax chocolate in the fridge at work if someone is helping themselfs

 

[Geordie Spark]

https://www.gov.uk/workplace-bullying-and-harassment

 

[atm84]

I do think it can be classed as bullying which would be taken very seriously by employers. I just don't want to make it an issue and then they try to push me out by making me want to leave voluntarily. I have already been looking for another job but if I do leave then he has won which infuriates me even more.

 

[Pete999]

I do think it can be classed as bullying which would be taken very seriously by employers. I just don't want to make it an issue and then they try to push me out by making me want to leave voluntarily. I have already been looking for another job but if I do leave then he has won which infuriates me even more.

Do what I said mate better than leaving

 

[Harni]

I had a manager like this when i was younger. I ignored it for over a year because i was new to the working world and everything was yes sir no sir 3 bags full sir but in the end, i tried everything including going for a 1 to 1 with him where he basically said don't **** up and you won't get shouted at. In the end, i snapped at him. He said something rude in front of everyone in the office so i got up, calmly put my jacket on and walked out when he said "where the **** are you going?" to which i just shouted at the guy. Cant remember my exact words due to the red mist but it was along the lines (and much more padded out) of stop treating me like an arsehole otherwise I'm going to knock you out. Ever since then, he was like my best mate.
Turns out he was a new manager, never been in a managing role before and thought it was a good way to get results from his guys yet he was scared of confrontation.

Im not saying this is the way to solve your issue. If anything, it should be a last resort but i genuinely think some people get so engrossed with their work, they don't realise just how they are being. They are managing a team of people and have to report back to their manager and want to go back to them with good results yet they don't realise that getting the results they want out of these people isn't about shouting at them. Its about working with them.

 

[atm84]

Cheers Hanni.

My issue is though that this guy isn't even a manager, he is just a senior engineer and is meant to be my mentor. Even my manager has said that this guy isn't my boss and that he tries to throw his weight around because he is in a senior role and likes to think he is now a boss, but he isn't. In his last job he wasn't even a senior. Just because he is over 50 it doesn't mean he can speak to me like a kid. I am 30, not 16.

 

[Guest77]

Cheers Hanni.

My issue is though that this guy isn't even a manager, he is just a senior engineer and is meant to be my mentor. Even my manager has said that this guy isn't my boss and that he tries to throw his weight around because he is in a senior role and likes to think he is now a boss, but he isn't. In his last job he wasn't even a senior. Just because he is over 50 it doesn't mean he can speak to me like a kid. I am 30, not 16.

Well credit to him for that achievment, many won't make it, that said there is no need for work place bullying, you need to stand up to him.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

I liked Trevs suggestion atm84.

sorry to hear this has happened to you, it's very poor and not on. I would love to be there and help out, I have in the past, at work and school, been bullied comprehensively but that was mainly for the reasons you mention, I speak up if somethings not right, don't bow to peer pressure, go with the flow etc.

i could give you a long story about my work place bullying-fest when I was a nipper but the short of it was alot like Trev said, I had someone monitor his behaviour for a week so I knew it wasn't just me being sensitive, then when he came in to work monday morning I stood up as he came in and said " a word, outside please" - not a question more of a command

ran it all past him outside, explained what was going to happen from now on and also that I had not involved anyone else higher at this point.

he was nice as pie for the next two years.

doesn't mean it will work for you but I think you need to chew the bully up and spit him out so to speak.

 

[Guest77]

I have had worse than bullying, that I could handle with a right hander to their chins, luckily I have never been bullied at work, however imagine working with Racists and work collegues laughing at disabled people day in day out, that is worse, 10 times worse, you have to endure it or move on and it makes life a right misery, if your unhappy at work, move on, I did, There is always one chimp on every job who spoils it for everyone else, it could be worse there could be 2 of the bullies at your works, you only have one to sort out.

 

[ipf]

I am not suggesting you are a --- at all, but he may feel it his end

Suggestions about ---- and feeling his end is one way of looking at it, I suppose :38:

 

[Darkwood]

Secure another job, wait till he belittles you again then pin him to the wall and destroy his character in front of all his work mates proceed to his boss and hand your resignation in expressing that your mentor had big issues with you because you questioned the poor quality and incorrect methods used in his own work and say his aggressive belittling nature does nothing to help you learn as you are determined to do.... Leave the firm knowing the ripple you leave will pay back for all the crap and if your lucky the MD will stop you and bargain a deal for you to stay.


PS been there done that and even got smacked by the boss...(long before modern times where you are wrapped in cotton wool)... stayed 20yrs and put up with his and his sons crap but when it was the right time I left and took all their Industrial business with me - as they had no one who could do it once I left.... it was the day I always remember when I handed my notice in and saw the panic on their faces. I said that's what you get when you don't appreciate your employee's and treat them like dirt!.. The firm is struggling so Ive heard as it was the profits I made that covered the losses in the domestic side lol KARMA!

 

[atm84]

But why should I have to leave because of him. Its him that should be pushed out of the door. He has threatened my job before, just after I started, by saying that unless I stepped up to the mark I would be out of the door.

 

[Harni]

Plant a kilo of coke in his car? Sure way to get him sacked. He can't come to work if he's in prison suspected of dealing

 

[Deleted member 72666]

So just looking for some advice as above.

I work in an office and have a senior engineer above me who feels that it is acceptable to speak to me in an aggressive and degrading manner who puts unnecessary pressure on me to complete tasks as fast as possible and then getting arsy when its not up to standard.

I have been in the industry for over 13 years and can honestly say that I have never been spoken to in this way even when I was on the tools as an apprentice (some would say I was lucky). The point is I am now an adult and expect to be spoken to with respect and NOT be treated like a child.

It is meant to be a professional environment but is far from it.

I took the job a few months ago and was told that I would have a senior engineer above me who would act as a mentor. But it is more like an old headmaster at a bording school who tries to crack the whip.

I have raised it my the Manager who told me that he does not understand why I have so much pressure put on me when I am still training and that he thinks that the senior engineer is just trying to throw his weight around as he has never been a manager before (and still isn't) and is trying to be one.

The Senior Engineer never says please or thank you and demands me to get out of my chair and 'come here'.

I will admit that I have started been more abrupt with him and answering back when he speaks to me like crap which prob infuriates him when the office is full but to be honest it infuriates me when he speaks to me like that in a full office.

I have found a number of errors in his work and pulled him up on it which he doesn't like but other ppl have agreed with him. Others in the office agree that its not acceptable how I am spoken to either.

Is it time to jump ship as I don't think ppl can really change and I need to be able to get on with him in order to learn but I find it very frustrating and its causing me to get stressed. I'm only young with a young family to think about.

I don't want to leave as I generally like it there and have only been there a few months and it wouldn't look good on my cv.

I took a massive pay cut to go work there as i was told that I would be trained up by a mentor and that it would be a good working environment with a good work life balance. I'm finding that not to be the case.

Any advice please

Yeah! Take a lump hammer to his teeth!....... Only kidding, I agree with shanky's post #11 except for the police bit.