Blanks missing from CU in 2 senarios

[westward10]

Immediate means now, immediately etc... How long do you think you would stand by a dist board with said missing blanks and the present danger in situ before this present danger killed someone. An hour, week, year or never because it is only potentially dangerous. Being locked in a room with no oxygen is present danger.

 

[Nigel]

Immediate means now, immediately etc... How long do you think you would stand by a dist board with said missing blanks and the present danger in situ before this present danger killed someone. An hour, week, year or never because it is only potentially dangerous. Being locked in a room with no oxygen is present danger.

You are the one saying it is potentially dangerous. I would say it that danger is present.

 

[westward10]

Delete.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Would you re-energise a circuit that has a fault in which all conductive parts on that corcuit are live?

You do it all the time.
Yes, I would re-energise a lighting circuit that has no CPC, as long as all the switches and fittings were plastic.

 

[Nigel]

You do it all the time.
Yes, I would re-energise a lighting circuit that has no CPC, as long as all the switches and fittings were plastic.

To be fair that is not the question that I asked.

 

[Spoon]

The problem I see is that unscrupulous electricians could use this to code C1 for things that are not actually C1, thinking they will get extra money to rectify said fault.

Would you re-energise a circuit that has a fault in which all conductive parts on that corcuit are live?

Not sure what this has to do with unscrupulous electricians but it depends on the fault, the circuit and where the installation is I suppose.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Yesterday I went so see a friend to look at the mess she’d made of a couple of light switches.
Bottom of the stairs was a metal 2 gang switch, upstairs near the front bedroom was another metal 2 gang switch.
The two switches were supposed to control a couple of wall lights on the stairs and the landing light.
Originally there had been a single gang 2 way switch up stairs.

First problem is the switch for the lights on the stairs has been fed from the 32A breaker for the upstairs power.
Don’t know why the feed wasn’t taken from a 6A light circuit?
Second problem was that the metal face plate for the the upstairs switch was live.
Third problem is that there is no CPC on the light circuit.

At the time of my visit my friend was helping someone do the plumbing in a bedroom which is being converted to a bath/shower room and her partner was cooking dinner on an electric cooker, fortunately the kitchen extension is fed from a separate CU.
Unfortunately I only had my volt stick (which I have left round there) and some hand tools with me.

Codes?

 

[westward10]

Depends what she was cooking.

 

[Nigel]

Yesterday I went so see a friend to look at the mess she’d made of a couple of light switches.
Bottom of the stairs was a metal 2 gang switch, upstairs near the front bedroom was another metal 2 gang switch.
The two switches were supposed to control a couple of wall lights on the stairs and the landing light.
Originally there had been a single gang 2 way switch up stairs.

First problem is the switch for the lights on the stairs has been fed from the 32A breaker for the upstairs power.
Don’t know why the feed wasn’t taken from a 6A light circuit?
Second problem was that the metal face plate for the the upstairs switch was live.
Third problem is that there is no CPC on the light circuit.

At the time of my visit my friend was helping someone do the plumbing in a bedroom which is being converted to a bath/shower room and her partner was cooking dinner on an electric cooker, fortunately the kitchen extension is fed from a separate CU.
Unfortunately I only had my volt stick (which I have left round there) and some hand tools with me.

Codes?

1 - C2
2 - C1
3 - C3 if all plastic, C2 if any metal.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Depends what she was cooking.

Some kind of rice dish with lumps of chicken.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

1 - C2
2 - C1
3 - C3 if all plastic, C2 if any metal.

Sorry, should have mentioned the CSA of the conductors for the lights on the stairs is 2.5mm2.
Obviously 3 was a C2 as the face plate was live.

During the course of my testing I de-energised and re-energised the circuits a few times.
Though I did remove the C1 first.

 

[Ian1981]

Sorry, should have mentioned the CSA of the conductors for the lights on the stairs is 2.5mm2.
Obviously 3 was a C2 as the face plate was live.

During the course of my testing I de-energised and re-energised the circuits a few times.
Though I did remove the C1 first.

What lights where fitted?
Regulation 559.5.1.204 states that B15,B22,E14 and E27 lampholders shall be protected by an OCPD of a maximum rating of 16 amps

 

[Deleted member 26818]

What lights where fitted?
Regulation 559.5.1.204 states that B15,B22,E14 and E27 lampholders shall be protected by an OCPD of a maximum rating of 16 amps

Halogen wall lights, with the lamps that look like big flash light bulbs.
Not bayonet or Edison screw.

 

[MG201]

Like said by another. This just goes to show how ambiguous coding can be. I beleave there is a coding course available or will be available from the NICEIC. this should at least give all NICEIC Members the chance to sing from the same song sheet . But then the problem arises when another organisation holds there own coding and this has variables from NIC.
Anyway sorry for starting this debate. All's good with the CU's now as all blanks were fitted today. As this was the first test I think the missing blanks were an after thought that was forgotten about by the original installers. Obviously they overlooked it in there original certs.

 

[westward10]

Been a fun debate.